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Really fascinating - can you talk a little bit more about your experiences? You always hear about trying moonshots but I’ve never heard someone who went revers

by probe 8y ago

Really fascinating - can you talk a little bit more about your experiences? You always hear about trying moonshots but I’ve never heard someone who went reverse and was happier!

Judgmentality 8y ago
I can't speak for the person you're responding to, but as someone who also started (and failed) a moonshot company I can chime in. To grossly oversimplify, failure (especially when you put everything into something) can make people jaded. The breaking point for everyone is different, but eventually you just don't want to try the pie-in-the-sky idea because you remember how painful the failure is, how many years of your life you lost, how many relationships damaged or ruined, personal debts accrued, etcetera. At some point you want to minimize stress and just take an easy job that pays a shitload of money and you value your free time more than your career.
- JimboOmega 8y ago
  But I've been wondering, why not make the shitload of money first, and once you've got many years saved, then go off and do a moonshot? The usual explanation is something about lifestyle and mortgages and children and so on, but whether you earn the money in your 20s and do a moonshot in your 30s, or do the moonshot in your 20s and earn money in your 30s, don't you wind up at the same place either way?
  - maehwasu 8y ago
    The answer is that you’re right. I did the money first, and since then working on moonshot stuff has been a lot more enjoyable that what I typically see here. The challenge and stress of the moonshot never goes away, but the stress is more “intense trek through the mountains” and less “my family is going to starve and my friends hate me. “
    - Smirnoff 8y ago
      "Intense trek through the mountains" is more like a vacation when you go through real stress while building your company.
  - badestrand 8y ago
    > why not make the shitload of money first Because it is very very hard to get to "fuck you"-money and passive income often isn't quite as passive as it seems.
  - estsauver 8y ago
    I think the darker take on it is that as you get older you realize that things are harder and you're not as dumb. Mortgages and children are a polite way of saying "I know how stupidly hard that is, I like spending time with my wife and kids and family and I'm going to actively choose a quality life over an impactful life." I tell people to only start a startup, and definitely only start a moonshot startup if you can't help but let your ambition destroy your happiness. Things at Apollo are going really well, and it has been ~5x more stressful than when I was working at a really fast paced and successful US company. It's probably ~15x more stressful than when I was working at a laid back US tech company. You do it because you have to see what you're building in the world.
earthshot 8y ago
I went the other way. I did a moonshot, made great connections, had a few years of fun, learned tons, but also had horrible years and had no financial security after a decade of unceasing work. I managed to get a mid level leadership role for a huge tech company. I no longer think about mortgages or tuition, I’m a million times less stressed out, and I enjoy my life. It’s common but it’s not “sexy” to say fuck it, I want a sure thing for a while.

by probe 8y ago

Really fascinating - can you talk a little bit more about your experiences? You always hear about trying moonshots but I’ve never heard someone who went reverse and was happier!

Judgmentality 8y ago

I can't speak for the person you're responding to, but as someone who also started (and failed) a moonshot company I can chime in. To grossly oversimplify, failure (especially when you put everything into something) can make people jaded. The breaking point for everyone is different, but eventually you just don't want to try the pie-in-the-sky idea because you remember how painful the failure is, how many years of your life you lost, how many relationships damaged or ruined, personal debts accrued, etcetera. At some point you want to minimize stress and just take an easy job that pays a shitload of money and you value your free time more than your career.

JimboOmega 8y ago
But I've been wondering, why not make the shitload of money first, and once you've got many years saved, then go off and do a moonshot? The usual explanation is something about lifestyle and mortgages and children and so on, but whether you earn the money in your 20s and do a moonshot in your 30s, or do the moonshot in your 20s and earn money in your 30s, don't you wind up at the same place either way?
- maehwasu 8y ago
  The answer is that you’re right. I did the money first, and since then working on moonshot stuff has been a lot more enjoyable that what I typically see here. The challenge and stress of the moonshot never goes away, but the stress is more “intense trek through the mountains” and less “my family is going to starve and my friends hate me. “
  - Smirnoff 8y ago
    "Intense trek through the mountains" is more like a vacation when you go through real stress while building your company.
- badestrand 8y ago
  > why not make the shitload of money first Because it is very very hard to get to "fuck you"-money and passive income often isn't quite as passive as it seems.
- estsauver 8y ago
  I think the darker take on it is that as you get older you realize that things are harder and you're not as dumb. Mortgages and children are a polite way of saying "I know how stupidly hard that is, I like spending time with my wife and kids and family and I'm going to actively choose a quality life over an impactful life." I tell people to only start a startup, and definitely only start a moonshot startup if you can't help but let your ambition destroy your happiness. Things at Apollo are going really well, and it has been ~5x more stressful than when I was working at a really fast paced and successful US company. It's probably ~15x more stressful than when I was working at a laid back US tech company. You do it because you have to see what you're building in the world.

earthshot 8y ago

I went the other way. I did a moonshot, made great connections, had a few years of fun, learned tons, but also had horrible years and had no financial security after a decade of unceasing work. I managed to get a mid level leadership role for a huge tech company. I no longer think about mortgages or tuition, I’m a million times less stressed out, and I enjoy my life. It’s common but it’s not “sexy” to say fuck it, I want a sure thing for a while.