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Studies of communities that have longitivtiy confirm this. For example, the "Ikaria" study, a university of Athen's study of the island of Ikaria, where males r

by jimmy1 8y ago

Studies of communities that have longitivtiy confirm this. For example, the "Ikaria" study, a university of Athen's study of the island of Ikaria, where males reach the age of 90 2.5 times more frequently than Americans, their diet consisted of hardly any red meat at all (and also hardly any sugar), but rather beans, legumes, wild local greens with lemon juice and olive oil, fish, honey, and red wine.

bennylope 8y ago
I think you could do worse than that diet, but this is a multivariate comparison. From the study abstract[0] > Conclusion. Modifiable risk factors, such as physical activity, diet, smoking cessation and mid-day naps, might depict the “secrets” of the long-livers; these findings suggest that the interaction of environmental, behavioral together with clinical characteristics may determine longevity. This concept must be further explored in order to understand how these factors relate and which are the most important in shaping prolonged life. It could be that the quantity red meat is solely responsible for their longevity, or has nothing to do with it, or plays some role with the many other confounding variables. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3051199/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3051199/
floatingatoll 8y ago
Was the study of this island controlled for climate, compared to a nearby island with different diets, or compared to a distant island with similar diets? One of the points made by Ioannidis is that we’re far too easily swayed to believe what sounds plausible when no one has yet asked “Could this be for some other reason altogether that we aren’t testing for?” and then tests for those reasons. That flaw applies here: studying just one community automatically implies that the results are invalid, simply because there’s no evaluation of other communities that share various attributes that could be hidden factors for the benefit. EDIT: Per one article, that study “would try to cut through the stories and establish the facts about Ikaria’s longevity”. It has succeeded in establishing that, factually, Ikaria’s longevity is a thing relative to other populations. It has not established which of the properties of Ikaria are responsible. (For example, perhaps the island is slightly radioactive, and old people thrive in a slightly higher radioactivity.) Extrapolating that their diet is responsible is an instance of the A/X error described in the above-linked article.
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toasterlovin 8y ago
The study you cite did not confirm the red meat hypothesis. It merely failed to disconfirm it. Those are two very different things, which nutrition researches and the general public seem to be incapable of wrapping their heads around.

by jimmy1 8y ago

bennylope 8y ago

I think you could do worse than that diet, but this is a multivariate comparison. From the study abstract[0] > Conclusion. Modifiable risk factors, such as physical activity, diet, smoking cessation and mid-day naps, might depict the “secrets” of the long-livers; these findings suggest that the interaction of environmental, behavioral together with clinical characteristics may determine longevity. This concept must be further explored in order to understand how these factors relate and which are the most important in shaping prolonged life. It could be that the quantity red meat is solely responsible for their longevity, or has nothing to do with it, or plays some role with the many other confounding variables. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3051199/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3051199/

floatingatoll 8y ago

Was the study of this island controlled for climate, compared to a nearby island with different diets, or compared to a distant island with similar diets? One of the points made by Ioannidis is that we’re far too easily swayed to believe what sounds plausible when no one has yet asked “Could this be for some other reason altogether that we aren’t testing for?” and then tests for those reasons. That flaw applies here: studying just one community automatically implies that the results are invalid, simply because there’s no evaluation of other communities that share various attributes that could be hidden factors for the benefit. EDIT: Per one article, that study “would try to cut through the stories and establish the facts about Ikaria’s longevity”. It has succeeded in establishing that, factually, Ikaria’s longevity is a thing relative to other populations. It has not established which of the properties of Ikaria are responsible. (For example, perhaps the island is slightly radioactive, and old people thrive in a slightly higher radioactivity.) Extrapolating that their diet is responsible is an instance of the A/X error described in the above-linked article.

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toasterlovin 8y ago

The study you cite did not confirm the red meat hypothesis. It merely failed to disconfirm it. Those are two very different things, which nutrition researches and the general public seem to be incapable of wrapping their heads around.