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Except the reason why no one has an opportunity when put together is because of groups fleeing school systems (see: white flight) due to other issues like racis

Except the reason why no one has an opportunity when put together is because of groups fleeing school systems (see: white flight) due to other issues like racism or religious reasons. That makes no sense, given there are charter school successes located in those neighborhoods. There are also other initiatives that have focused on the whole environment of the children. The problem isn't racism. The problem is a self-perpetuating cycle of an environment that prevents good education. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem_Children%27s_Zone https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem_Children%27s_Zone And make no mistake, the entire point of school vouchers is to punish the poor. When I put myself in the shoes of that woman who approached me about her son, I find that I would want that school voucher! The entire point of opposing school vouchers is to preserve the urban bureaucratic status quo. Why not give those parents a choice? Do they currently trust the public school to provide their children a good education? My impression is that a lot of them don't.

fzeroracer 8y ago
The entire point of opposing school vouchers is that the people pushing them and their implementation of school vouchers would devastate local school systems. There are some charter school successes, but that also ignores the many charter school failures [1] and the fact that again, they are barely beholden to any scrutiny. Charter schools also have a financial incentive to expel underperforming students in order to raise their average test scores rather than accommodate and improve their curriculum. And again, the problem is racism. White flight exists. It is why public schooling in those neighborhoods is so bad to begin with and to ignore the history of racism in the public schooling system does a disservice to your argument. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_"Superman"#Educational_reception_and_allegations_of_inaccuracy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_"Superman"#Educa...
- stcredzero 8y ago
  The entire point of opposing school vouchers is that the people pushing them and their implementation of school vouchers would devastate local school systems Just because particular schools close, doesn't mean something bad is happening. In a market that actually works, no one is too big to fail. And again, the problem is racism. White flight exists. It is why public schooling in those neighborhoods is so bad to begin with Thomas Sowell remembers attending a very good school in Harlem, and that the neighborhood was safe enough for him to sleep outside on the fire escape, if it was too hot on a summer evening. The key difference has been effect of the welfare state on those neighborhoods, and the resulting degradation of the social fabric there, not the flight of white people. https://youtu.be/mS5WYp5xmvI?t=996 https://youtu.be/mS5WYp5xmvI?t=996

fzeroracer 8y ago

The entire point of opposing school vouchers is that the people pushing them and their implementation of school vouchers would devastate local school systems. There are some charter school successes, but that also ignores the many charter school failures [1] and the fact that again, they are barely beholden to any scrutiny. Charter schools also have a financial incentive to expel underperforming students in order to raise their average test scores rather than accommodate and improve their curriculum. And again, the problem is racism. White flight exists. It is why public schooling in those neighborhoods is so bad to begin with and to ignore the history of racism in the public schooling system does a disservice to your argument. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_"Superman"#Educational_reception_and_allegations_of_inaccuracy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_"Superman"#Educa...

stcredzero 8y ago
The entire point of opposing school vouchers is that the people pushing them and their implementation of school vouchers would devastate local school systems Just because particular schools close, doesn't mean something bad is happening. In a market that actually works, no one is too big to fail. And again, the problem is racism. White flight exists. It is why public schooling in those neighborhoods is so bad to begin with Thomas Sowell remembers attending a very good school in Harlem, and that the neighborhood was safe enough for him to sleep outside on the fire escape, if it was too hot on a summer evening. The key difference has been effect of the welfare state on those neighborhoods, and the resulting degradation of the social fabric there, not the flight of white people. https://youtu.be/mS5WYp5xmvI?t=996 https://youtu.be/mS5WYp5xmvI?t=996