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Come to Salt Lake City. We even have absurd branding to lure you "silicon slopes!" There are a few SF organizations with satellite offices here. I've worked fo

Come to Salt Lake City. We even have absurd branding to lure you "silicon slopes!" There are a few SF organizations with satellite offices here. I've worked for one, have friends working for others. It's a pretty decent arrangement. You can get a team setup here for the cost of a single employee in the bay (especially when you factor in real estate.) Hell, maybe more. Shit, some of us will take pay cuts to avoid working for the Domo's of the Provo Valley. Don't have to deal with time zone issues, and when shit hits the fan it's an hour and a half flight. I've flown to SF and back, same day multiple times.

phaedryx 8y ago
I love the local tech community here (general SLC area) and I've talked to enough SF -> SLC immigrants that I never want to work in Silicon Valley.
jeremydeanlakey 8y ago
I was about to say the same. I bet you can have your pick of the top senior engineers for 120K (most devs whose salary I've heard make less than 100K). And you'd probably get loyalty too - a lot of them don't want to go anywhere.
robertcorey 8y ago
What about the LDS influence. I'd be worried about moving here to start a family.
- gotocake 8y ago
  Outside of a few issues there isn’t much influence, unless you’re in the church. One nice thing about Mormons is that at least outside of a missionary context abroad, they take “no” for an answer with grace. I wouldn’t want to join their club, but I like them as neighbors. Their cooking can be a little uninspiring, but the hospitality and friendliness is world class. SLC is also a gorgeous part of the world, if you like to hike or climb it’s one of the best. The city itself is also not exclusively Mormon, although it’s not NYC levels or diverse either. I’d recommend a visit to see if you like it.
  - compiler-guy 8y ago
    "The Liquor laws of Utah regulate the selling and purchasing of alcohol in the United States state of Utah and are some of the most restrictive in the United States." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Utah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Utah Mormons account for nearly 90 percent of state Legislature https://www.apnews.com/286983987f484cb182fba9334c52a617 https://www.apnews.com/286983987f484cb182fba9334c52a617 Utah is America's worst state for women's equality in 2018, study shows https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-is-americas-worst-state-for-womens-equality-in-2018 https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-is-americas-worst-state-for...
    - gotocake 8y ago
      Yep, if you’re a big drinker Utah can be a little rough, although personally when I was there on business I never had a problem. From my perspective as a non-religious person and a non-Christian I also don’t find Mormonism any stranger than other sects of Christianity either, but again if they make you uncomfortable Utah is to be avoided as a place to live. As for the last point, I suppose it could be for some very broad definitions of equality. Your link references this survey: https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-worst-states-for-women-equality/5835/#methodology https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-worst-states-for-women-eq... I don’t find it massively convincing, but YMMV.
    - jjeaff 8y ago
      To call that ranking an "equality" survey is misleading. It measures average salary, executive positions, political office, and educational attainment. But that proves nothing on whether women are treated equally or given equal rights or are treated fairly in the workplace. The fact is, many, many LDS women choose to be full time mothers and homemakers. There are much fewer women in the workforce because of this. LDS women are much less likely to work full time and they choose not to take on demanding positions because it has been their dream to raise a family and be with their kids. This also results in many choosing to do less schooling. If your dream is to raise a family, getting your master's degree is probably not going to be necessary for that. Especially if you are already started on that family before you finish your undergrad. In other words, using the criteria of this survey, the only way to make women more "equal" in Utah, would be to force them to do things they don't want to do. Now, there might be issues in the workplace where women are not treated well or where they are paid less for the same job (to a worse degree than the rest of the U.S.) but nothing in that survey indicates that.
crushcrashcrush 8y ago
Many, many people can't stand the influence LDS has on culture, alcohol, nightlife, sexuality, dating, etc. It's huge there.
- crushcrashcrush 8y ago
  Also, no one talks about it but the smog is absolutely out of control.
  - phaedryx 8y ago
    I live a bit south, so not so bad here, but a fair point. Wintertime + smog is a real bummer.
- umvi 8y ago
  Apparently "LDS" is out, "Church of Jesus Christ" is the new name. They are even abandoning the LDS.org TLD
  - crushcrashcrush 8y ago
    Rebrands are fun! I wish them the best.
- rangersanger 8y ago
  Don't forget on commercial real estate.

phaedryx 8y ago

I love the local tech community here (general SLC area) and I've talked to enough SF -> SLC immigrants that I never want to work in Silicon Valley.

jeremydeanlakey 8y ago

I was about to say the same. I bet you can have your pick of the top senior engineers for 120K (most devs whose salary I've heard make less than 100K). And you'd probably get loyalty too - a lot of them don't want to go anywhere.

robertcorey 8y ago

What about the LDS influence. I'd be worried about moving here to start a family.

gotocake 8y ago
Outside of a few issues there isn’t much influence, unless you’re in the church. One nice thing about Mormons is that at least outside of a missionary context abroad, they take “no” for an answer with grace. I wouldn’t want to join their club, but I like them as neighbors. Their cooking can be a little uninspiring, but the hospitality and friendliness is world class. SLC is also a gorgeous part of the world, if you like to hike or climb it’s one of the best. The city itself is also not exclusively Mormon, although it’s not NYC levels or diverse either. I’d recommend a visit to see if you like it.
- compiler-guy 8y ago
  "The Liquor laws of Utah regulate the selling and purchasing of alcohol in the United States state of Utah and are some of the most restrictive in the United States." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Utah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Utah Mormons account for nearly 90 percent of state Legislature https://www.apnews.com/286983987f484cb182fba9334c52a617 https://www.apnews.com/286983987f484cb182fba9334c52a617 Utah is America's worst state for women's equality in 2018, study shows https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-is-americas-worst-state-for-womens-equality-in-2018 https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-is-americas-worst-state-for...
  - gotocake 8y ago
    Yep, if you’re a big drinker Utah can be a little rough, although personally when I was there on business I never had a problem. From my perspective as a non-religious person and a non-Christian I also don’t find Mormonism any stranger than other sects of Christianity either, but again if they make you uncomfortable Utah is to be avoided as a place to live. As for the last point, I suppose it could be for some very broad definitions of equality. Your link references this survey: https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-worst-states-for-women-equality/5835/#methodology https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-worst-states-for-women-eq... I don’t find it massively convincing, but YMMV.
  - jjeaff 8y ago
    To call that ranking an "equality" survey is misleading. It measures average salary, executive positions, political office, and educational attainment. But that proves nothing on whether women are treated equally or given equal rights or are treated fairly in the workplace. The fact is, many, many LDS women choose to be full time mothers and homemakers. There are much fewer women in the workforce because of this. LDS women are much less likely to work full time and they choose not to take on demanding positions because it has been their dream to raise a family and be with their kids. This also results in many choosing to do less schooling. If your dream is to raise a family, getting your master's degree is probably not going to be necessary for that. Especially if you are already started on that family before you finish your undergrad. In other words, using the criteria of this survey, the only way to make women more "equal" in Utah, would be to force them to do things they don't want to do. Now, there might be issues in the workplace where women are not treated well or where they are paid less for the same job (to a worse degree than the rest of the U.S.) but nothing in that survey indicates that.

crushcrashcrush 8y ago

Many, many people can't stand the influence LDS has on culture, alcohol, nightlife, sexuality, dating, etc. It's huge there.

crushcrashcrush 8y ago
Also, no one talks about it but the smog is absolutely out of control.
- phaedryx 8y ago
  I live a bit south, so not so bad here, but a fair point. Wintertime + smog is a real bummer.
umvi 8y ago
Apparently "LDS" is out, "Church of Jesus Christ" is the new name. They are even abandoning the LDS.org TLD
- crushcrashcrush 8y ago
  Rebrands are fun! I wish them the best.
rangersanger 8y ago
Don't forget on commercial real estate.