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Also scary considering that if Airbnb does not like you, for whatever valid or invalid reason, you are not welcome in either local hosting or hotels worldwide.

Also scary considering that if Airbnb does not like you, for whatever valid or invalid reason, you are not welcome in either local hosting or hotels worldwide. Given that Airbnb already declined hosting people they considered attending a lawful political rally (the "hateful nazi's of Charlottesville"), their increased reach concerns me.

wbronitsky 8y ago
I think you will find that most of the public will not be concerned with not serving Nazis, legal gathering or otherwise. This isn't a slippery slope; Nazis are evil and our society has, or at least had, drawn a line. EDIT: obviously I have offended the Nazis here. I'm not sorry, and you should not feel welcome. Anywhere. Ever.
- gmanley 8y ago
  Either people agree with you or they're Nazis? Maybe you should rethink why you are getting downvotes. It may be more due to people thinking that companies acting as gate keepers or moral compasses can very much be a slippery slope and you simply saying it's not does not change that people think that.
  - wbronitsky 8y ago
    Downvotes simply silence a post. If someone doesn't agree, they can rebut, but that is not what a downvote is.
    - dc_gregory 8y ago
      In this case, its a slap on the wrist for a comment that doesn't positively contribute.
      - wbronitsky 8y ago
        I fail to see how calling out that Nazis are unequivocally evil is not positively contributing when someone is trying to gain sympathy for being discriminated against for being a Nazi. I bet you would also say that it’s “not the time” to have these sorts of discussions. Too bad, I’m not going to be quiet about this. It’s deeply sad to me that this community is willing to quickly rally around Nazis and shame people who speak against them.
        thecatspaw 8y ago
        It is because you're ignoring what the comment is actually about. Airbnb declines hosting of people they deem unworthy, because they have the wrong political ideology or spoke out about the wrong thing. Who is to say that they dont expand this? Can I still go to demonstrations and airbnb or will that be banned as well? Can I still criticize the president and airbnb? What about beeing anti-war or pro-war?
        wbronitsky 8y ago
        I’m sorry, this is a dumb argument. I will not interface with people who think Nazis are a slippery slope. That’s bullshit and you know it. This is a bad faith argument
        princeofwands 8y ago
        Denying people their right to gather peacefully at a lawful political rally, simply because you posit them as irredeemably evil, is a hallmark of fascism. And even though I do not agree with your blatant Nazi mindset, I will fight for your right to state your backwards views, and attend lawful political rallies of your choosing, without a multinational company stifling your activism by denying you lodging after they snooped on your online behavior. The same sympathy that is lacking for anti-immigrant activists, is on display in your posts. Can you think of a single legit purpose of anti-immigrant activists? If not, how are you not anything but creating division and misunderstanding?
        8y ago
- stef25 8y ago
  Corporations shouldn't be the judge and jury. Yesterday they banned nazis, tomorrow anti-vaxers and the next thing you know you can't find a bed cause you used the wrong gender pronoun. Slippery slope, very concerning. Check Joe Rogan's recent show with Jack Dorsey and Vijaya Gadda for an endless list of such examples. Having to police "social" platforms is a bigger challenge than solving any technical problem and the insistence that it be done is slowly tearing those platforms apart.
  - CPLX 8y ago
    The wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron"
  - andy_ppp 8y ago
    No. I did and they clearly are policing people making threats and deliberately winding people up. If you don’t like the rules don’t use the platform.
jjeaff 8y ago
You could still stay at any hotel worldwide. Just not using hotelstonight to book. Although I doubt any bans on Airbnb would extend to hotelstonight because liability for hotel damage does not extend to booking agents. Whereas, with Airbnb, they cover any damages that guests may do or issues that may arise from the hosts as well.
jimmaswell 8y ago
It feels like we're heading towards (or already living in) China's social credit score system but administered by corporations.
- andy_ppp 8y ago
  Do you know they banned using your horn here in Shanghai and replaced all the mopeds with electric ones over night, the city is less polluted and I can sleep in this cheap AirBnb. Pretty good dictatorship in this regard. While we argue they are winning.

wbronitsky 8y ago

I think you will find that most of the public will not be concerned with not serving Nazis, legal gathering or otherwise. This isn't a slippery slope; Nazis are evil and our society has, or at least had, drawn a line. EDIT: obviously I have offended the Nazis here. I'm not sorry, and you should not feel welcome. Anywhere. Ever.

gmanley 8y ago
Either people agree with you or they're Nazis? Maybe you should rethink why you are getting downvotes. It may be more due to people thinking that companies acting as gate keepers or moral compasses can very much be a slippery slope and you simply saying it's not does not change that people think that.
- wbronitsky 8y ago
  Downvotes simply silence a post. If someone doesn't agree, they can rebut, but that is not what a downvote is.
  - dc_gregory 8y ago
    In this case, its a slap on the wrist for a comment that doesn't positively contribute.
    - wbronitsky 8y ago
      I fail to see how calling out that Nazis are unequivocally evil is not positively contributing when someone is trying to gain sympathy for being discriminated against for being a Nazi. I bet you would also say that it’s “not the time” to have these sorts of discussions. Too bad, I’m not going to be quiet about this. It’s deeply sad to me that this community is willing to quickly rally around Nazis and shame people who speak against them.
      - thecatspaw 8y ago
        It is because you're ignoring what the comment is actually about. Airbnb declines hosting of people they deem unworthy, because they have the wrong political ideology or spoke out about the wrong thing. Who is to say that they dont expand this? Can I still go to demonstrations and airbnb or will that be banned as well? Can I still criticize the president and airbnb? What about beeing anti-war or pro-war?
        wbronitsky 8y ago
        I’m sorry, this is a dumb argument. I will not interface with people who think Nazis are a slippery slope. That’s bullshit and you know it. This is a bad faith argument
        princeofwands 8y ago
        Denying people their right to gather peacefully at a lawful political rally, simply because you posit them as irredeemably evil, is a hallmark of fascism. And even though I do not agree with your blatant Nazi mindset, I will fight for your right to state your backwards views, and attend lawful political rallies of your choosing, without a multinational company stifling your activism by denying you lodging after they snooped on your online behavior. The same sympathy that is lacking for anti-immigrant activists, is on display in your posts. Can you think of a single legit purpose of anti-immigrant activists? If not, how are you not anything but creating division and misunderstanding?
        8y ago
stef25 8y ago
Corporations shouldn't be the judge and jury. Yesterday they banned nazis, tomorrow anti-vaxers and the next thing you know you can't find a bed cause you used the wrong gender pronoun. Slippery slope, very concerning. Check Joe Rogan's recent show with Jack Dorsey and Vijaya Gadda for an endless list of such examples. Having to police "social" platforms is a bigger challenge than solving any technical problem and the insistence that it be done is slowly tearing those platforms apart.
- CPLX 8y ago
  The wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron"
- andy_ppp 8y ago
  No. I did and they clearly are policing people making threats and deliberately winding people up. If you don’t like the rules don’t use the platform.

jjeaff 8y ago

You could still stay at any hotel worldwide. Just not using hotelstonight to book. Although I doubt any bans on Airbnb would extend to hotelstonight because liability for hotel damage does not extend to booking agents. Whereas, with Airbnb, they cover any damages that guests may do or issues that may arise from the hosts as well.

jimmaswell 8y ago

It feels like we're heading towards (or already living in) China's social credit score system but administered by corporations.

andy_ppp 8y ago
Do you know they banned using your horn here in Shanghai and replaced all the mopeds with electric ones over night, the city is less polluted and I can sleep in this cheap AirBnb. Pretty good dictatorship in this regard. While we argue they are winning.