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> For example, recruiters at my company curate lists of names that are majority female, black, or Hispanic (pulled from the census bureau) in order to try and d

by jfk13 8y ago

> For example, recruiters at my company curate lists of names that are majority female, black, or Hispanic (pulled from the census bureau) in order to try and determine which candidates are diverse. (Implied: in order to favour them at some point in the process.) Is that even legal? So as an individual with a traditional Western European male name, I would be at a relative disadvantage if I applied to your company. Hmm.

manfredo 8y ago
Yup. Pro tip, give your kid a name like "Rafael". I trust our company's lawyers as to whether or not this is legal. Race does not directly affect hiring decisions. It only affects resume review and phone screen. So it does affect the population that get to the on-site. But functionally this doesn't seem much different than say, recruiting at an HBCU.
- eli 8y ago
  Deciding where to locate a recruiting event is different than deciding which applicants to move to the next stage.
  - manfredo 8y ago
    One could say that deciding where to hold recruiting events dictates which people go from the "zeroth stage" of not being in the application pool at all to th first stage of resume review.
    - eli 8y ago
      I don't think holding recruiting events in a place where you ONLY expect to find one kind of person is a good idea for a lot of reasons. But I think there's a different moral and legal obligation as an employer to people who have applied to a job versus those who haven't. Big difference between having a table at a HBCU recruiting event versus sorting resumes based on what race you think the applicant is.
AcerbicZero 8y ago
It's also possible that companies which try to optimize hiring of knowledge workers with varying degrees of talent based on the ethnicity of their name will perform poorly over the long run, so being disadvantaged in the hiring process is actually an advantage for your career as a whole.
- depressedpanda 8y ago
  That does not necessarily follow. E.g., if a company has a racist recruiting policy for hiring good candidates, the company still has a racist recruiting policy for hiring good candidates. I.e., it's morally wrong, because it's racist, but will still provide candidates that are good enough to keep the company afloat, or even prospering.

by jfk13 8y ago

manfredo 8y ago

Yup. Pro tip, give your kid a name like "Rafael". I trust our company's lawyers as to whether or not this is legal. Race does not directly affect hiring decisions. It only affects resume review and phone screen. So it does affect the population that get to the on-site. But functionally this doesn't seem much different than say, recruiting at an HBCU.

eli 8y ago
Deciding where to locate a recruiting event is different than deciding which applicants to move to the next stage.
- manfredo 8y ago
  One could say that deciding where to hold recruiting events dictates which people go from the "zeroth stage" of not being in the application pool at all to th first stage of resume review.
  - eli 8y ago
    I don't think holding recruiting events in a place where you ONLY expect to find one kind of person is a good idea for a lot of reasons. But I think there's a different moral and legal obligation as an employer to people who have applied to a job versus those who haven't. Big difference between having a table at a HBCU recruiting event versus sorting resumes based on what race you think the applicant is.

AcerbicZero 8y ago

It's also possible that companies which try to optimize hiring of knowledge workers with varying degrees of talent based on the ethnicity of their name will perform poorly over the long run, so being disadvantaged in the hiring process is actually an advantage for your career as a whole.

depressedpanda 8y ago
That does not necessarily follow. E.g., if a company has a racist recruiting policy for hiring good candidates, the company still has a racist recruiting policy for hiring good candidates. I.e., it's morally wrong, because it's racist, but will still provide candidates that are good enough to keep the company afloat, or even prospering.