> These movements come in waves, and it's a mistake to suggest that the recent developments are troubling or unnatural. ... You're probably right, but it's not

> These movements come in waves, and it's a mistake to suggest that the recent developments are troubling or unnatural. ... You're probably right, but it's not Haidt that's describing any ideologies or worldviews as "troubling" or "unnatural", other than perhaps wrt. Trumpism at the close of this interview. If anything, he repeatedly stresses just how natural it might feel, for example, to demand ideological "safe spaces" in order to preserve one's quasi-religious worldview and sense of identity from what's perceived as a very personal attack from outsiders and enemies. What arguably is "troubling" and indeed outright toxic, is the consequences of these developments on the workings of our institutions (such as academia and policy-making) as well as on social cohesion more generally. But these consequences are far from unavoidable, and Haidt's book is mostly about trying to avert them.