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The interesting thing is, fewer abortions happen under Democrat presidents than under Republican presidents. Something about pushing sex education and birth con

by rc_kas 8y ago

The interesting thing is, fewer abortions happen under Democrat presidents than under Republican presidents. Something about pushing sex education and birth control that reduces abortions. I don't exactly understand why you would vote Republican if you did not like abortions.

paulddraper 8y ago
Snopes rates "Abortion rates drop during Democratic presidencies and rise during Republican administrations" as false. [1] And even if it were true (and it's not), the national legislatures is often the opposite party as the executive, and they're the ones that actually make the laws. (The real reality though is that the states are far more relevant in this area.) [1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/abortion-rates-presidencies/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/abortion-rates-presidencie...
- rc_kas 8y ago
  Different fact check than what I'm saying. They don't rise during Republican presidencies. They do fall at a slower rate.
  - paulddraper 8y ago
    Well, if we're being precise, your original assertion was something different altogether. You claimed "fewer abortions happen under Democrat presidents than under Republican presidents", but that's still not really true. Two of the top four years for abortions per live birth (1979, 1980, 1981, 1984) had a Democratic administration. Three if you look at the previous year's President. [1] [1] According to CDC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_Uni...
asark 8y ago
Typically, they want them to be illegal because they consider them morally close or identical to murder. One might not vote for the legalize-murder party just because the stats say fewer murder happen when they're in power, preferring to vote for make-murder-illegal party that'll try to outlaw it entirely. That my fellow Dems so often paint this position as plainly stupid or obviously wrong is a frequent source of frustration for me, and why I usually just avoid engaging in discussion of the topic (whoops). Not accusing you of having done that, mind you, I just see it a lot.
- rc_kas 8y ago
  Fair point.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> The interesting thing is, fewer abortions happen under Democrat presidents than under Republican presidents. I think you've confused abortions with deficits, in terms of things Republicans rhetorically oppose but in practice increase while in office.

by rc_kas 8y ago

paulddraper 8y ago

Snopes rates "Abortion rates drop during Democratic presidencies and rise during Republican administrations" as false. [1] And even if it were true (and it's not), the national legislatures is often the opposite party as the executive, and they're the ones that actually make the laws. (The real reality though is that the states are far more relevant in this area.) [1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/abortion-rates-presidencies/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/abortion-rates-presidencie...

rc_kas 8y ago
Different fact check than what I'm saying. They don't rise during Republican presidencies. They do fall at a slower rate.
- paulddraper 8y ago
  Well, if we're being precise, your original assertion was something different altogether. You claimed "fewer abortions happen under Democrat presidents than under Republican presidents", but that's still not really true. Two of the top four years for abortions per live birth (1979, 1980, 1981, 1984) had a Democratic administration. Three if you look at the previous year's President. [1] [1] According to CDC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_Uni...

asark 8y ago

Typically, they want them to be illegal because they consider them morally close or identical to murder. One might not vote for the legalize-murder party just because the stats say fewer murder happen when they're in power, preferring to vote for make-murder-illegal party that'll try to outlaw it entirely. That my fellow Dems so often paint this position as plainly stupid or obviously wrong is a frequent source of frustration for me, and why I usually just avoid engaging in discussion of the topic (whoops). Not accusing you of having done that, mind you, I just see it a lot.

rc_kas 8y ago
Fair point.

dragonwriter 8y ago

> The interesting thing is, fewer abortions happen under Democrat presidents than under Republican presidents. I think you've confused abortions with deficits, in terms of things Republicans rhetorically oppose but in practice increase while in office.