> When I want J to do something in a program, I fiddle with it until I get the "sentence" right, and that's it. That sentence will never be modified again. If I

> When I want J to do something in a program, I fiddle with it until I get the "sentence" right, and that's it. That sentence will never be modified again. If I need it to work differenty, I'll rewrite that sentence from scratch. Then find a good name for your sentence so that you can combine it with others, and suddently you discover that you can write J like a nice DSL that can very satisfyingly sound like plain spoken language. I had exactly the same experience with Forth. It is very cool when you define a word as an almost English sentence and all the data flow effortlessly through the stack but I have to admit it can take a lot of time to get it right. I got to the conclusion that Forth is a contemplative language where you spend a lot more time thinking than typing.