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What is your plan to beat WordPress or get people to switch to your CMS away from WordPress ? There are plenty of other CMS providers out there who are doing a

What is your plan to beat WordPress or get people to switch to your CMS away from WordPress ? There are plenty of other CMS providers out there who are doing a decent job but no one is able to take out the giant that is WordPress due to its market share and the community of support and plugin eco-system. Also, terms such as "headless CMS" does not mean much to a regular user who is looking for a "site in WordPress". So is your intended audience primarily developers and freelancers/agencies ?

tonyspiro 8y ago
If you look at trends in the CMS space, WordPress is losing favor: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=wordpress https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge... 63.2% of developers voted it most dreaded in the 2018 Stack Overflow survey (narrowly beat by Windows Phone) https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018/#most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018/#most-loved-d... Our customers benefit by avoiding the pain of building and maintaining their own CMS infrastructure so they can focus on their core product. And we have a growing community that is adding more value through education and resources for every new user. You're right, our target user is not a consumer who has many options for a consumer CMS. Our target customer is a team of developers and content creators.
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  > Our customers benefit by avoiding the pain of building and maintaining their own CMS infrastructure so they can focus on their core product. And we have a growing community that is adding more value through education and resources for every new user. The Wordpress ecosystem is mature and extensive. Wordpress developers are relatively inexpensive compared to frontend devs. Open source Wordpress is free as in beer. > You're right, our target user is not a consumer who has many options for a consumer CMS. Our target customer is a team of developers and content creators. Developers are expensive. Wordpress is not. A Twilio play ("Ask your developer" billboards) appealing to devs might not be as successful in this space.
  - tonyspiro 8y ago
    Indeed, developer time is expensive. They shouldn't spend it in CMS code :)
    - toomuchtodo 8y ago
      Yes, I agree when developers are your differentiator (SaaS product companies). But most content creators cannot afford expensive developers. I wish you well, but the headwinds are strong.
- aaronjorbin 8y ago
  > If you look at trends in the CMS space, WordPress is losing favor: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge.. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge.... In the last year, WordPress grew from 29.9% of websites to 33.3%. Is that really losing favor? https://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/content_management/all https://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/content_ma...
  - snazz 8y ago
    You have to remind yourself to take this kind of figure with a grain of salt, since every measurement technique has some kind of bias. The StackOverflow survey specifically targets SO users, Google Trends might overestimate languages that receive lots of queries due to less experienced programmers or poor documentation, and it is truly impossible to scan the entire web to find which CMS powers each site (especially since customized CMS installations might not have telltale signs that others do).
- dpcan 8y ago
  WordPress is the most dreaded because it's the most used. Whichever CMS becomes the most used, will eventually become the most dreaded. Unfortunately, this doesn't mean we want to switch. It still happens to be the best tool for the job 9 times out of 10, whether I hate it or not.

tonyspiro 8y ago

If you look at trends in the CMS space, WordPress is losing favor: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=wordpress https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge... 63.2% of developers voted it most dreaded in the 2018 Stack Overflow survey (narrowly beat by Windows Phone) https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018/#most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018/#most-loved-d... Our customers benefit by avoiding the pain of building and maintaining their own CMS infrastructure so they can focus on their core product. And we have a growing community that is adding more value through education and resources for every new user. You're right, our target user is not a consumer who has many options for a consumer CMS. Our target customer is a team of developers and content creators.

toomuchtodo 8y ago
> Our customers benefit by avoiding the pain of building and maintaining their own CMS infrastructure so they can focus on their core product. And we have a growing community that is adding more value through education and resources for every new user. The Wordpress ecosystem is mature and extensive. Wordpress developers are relatively inexpensive compared to frontend devs. Open source Wordpress is free as in beer. > You're right, our target user is not a consumer who has many options for a consumer CMS. Our target customer is a team of developers and content creators. Developers are expensive. Wordpress is not. A Twilio play ("Ask your developer" billboards) appealing to devs might not be as successful in this space.
- tonyspiro 8y ago
  Indeed, developer time is expensive. They shouldn't spend it in CMS code :)
  - toomuchtodo 8y ago
    Yes, I agree when developers are your differentiator (SaaS product companies). But most content creators cannot afford expensive developers. I wish you well, but the headwinds are strong.
aaronjorbin 8y ago
> If you look at trends in the CMS space, WordPress is losing favor: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge.. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge.... In the last year, WordPress grew from 29.9% of websites to 33.3%. Is that really losing favor? https://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/content_management/all https://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/content_ma...
- snazz 8y ago
  You have to remind yourself to take this kind of figure with a grain of salt, since every measurement technique has some kind of bias. The StackOverflow survey specifically targets SO users, Google Trends might overestimate languages that receive lots of queries due to less experienced programmers or poor documentation, and it is truly impossible to scan the entire web to find which CMS powers each site (especially since customized CMS installations might not have telltale signs that others do).
dpcan 8y ago
WordPress is the most dreaded because it's the most used. Whichever CMS becomes the most used, will eventually become the most dreaded. Unfortunately, this doesn't mean we want to switch. It still happens to be the best tool for the job 9 times out of 10, whether I hate it or not.