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Unless the commuters are coming from out of state, wouldn't the people driving (being residents) be paying the taxes which would pay for this anyway? I get tha

Unless the commuters are coming from out of state, wouldn't the people driving (being residents) be paying the taxes which would pay for this anyway? I get that it is coming out of the budget of the school, but ultimately the taxpayers _are_ paying for it, albeit in a round-about kind of way.

gbear605 8y ago
Schools are mostly funded by the town, not the state
- kurthr 8y ago
  Well, in Oregon they are poorly funded, because it's a low tax state, but many expensive things like teacher salaries are state funded. This is due to a Supreme Court decision requirement to provide equal education, and it's unclear if they have fully complied, but generally your statement is not correct. In many large states (Texas, California, NY) schools are almost fully state funded. https://crosscut.com/2017/12/oregon-school-funding-education-washington-mccleary-schools https://crosscut.com/2017/12/oregon-school-funding-education... https://education.findlaw.com/curriculum-standards-school-funding/education-finance-and-funding-state-and-local-sources.html https://education.findlaw.com/curriculum-standards-school-fu...
  - ci5er 8y ago
    If Texas schools are state-funded, I'm paying way too high property taxes to live in Westlake! (Austin TX)[0]... [0] Yes that was an exaggerated response - but not by as much as you might think. https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/15/texas-school-funding-how-it-works/ https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/15/texas-school-funding...
ojbyrne 8y ago
I don’t entirely agree with your argument, but the article actually says the commuters are coming from a different state.
astura 8y ago
Schools are usually mostly funded by property tax of people/businesses in the school district.
- kurthr 8y ago
  That may have once been the case, but it is no longer the case. Almost all states, including Oregon, are required by equal education interpretations of the Supreme Court to share funding state wide. See links on comment below.
inferiorhuman 8y ago
The commuters are from out of state.
- droithomme 8y ago
  If it's true they are from out of state they are just people passing through the state, not commuters on their way to work each day. However significant amounts of the passenger vehicle traffic there is intrastate and intracounty, as can be seen both from the existence of much more traffic during the morning and evening rush hours, and also the traffic thinning out once it leaves the city.
  - InitialLastName 8y ago
    > If it's true they are from out of state they are just people passing through the state, not commuters on their way to work each day. Have you looked at a map of where this school is [0]? It's literally between the Washington/Oregon border and downtown Portland. Why wouldn't there be a large commuting population in the Wash State Portland suburbs into downtown Portland? I'm not deeply familiar with Portland's geography, but it sure looks to me like the urban area goes right up to the Columbia river, so "the traffic thinning out once it leaves the city" would likely be... in Washington. [0] https://www.google.com/maps/place/Harriet+Tubman+Middle+School/@45.5680745,-122.6991181,12.25z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x5495a74f8ff8d6df:0xadd8a8197d97be71!8m2!3d45.539238!4d-122.6692837 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Harriet+Tubman+Middle+Scho...
    - droithomme 8y ago
      I know exactly where it is. It's several miles south of the border and all of this intermediary space - in Oregon - is taken up with very high density city, mostly residences. In these residences are people who work in Portland and drive to work each day, taking the several on and on ramps along this route. As you drive south through this area in the morning, there is heavy congestion at each on-ramp as people are getting on 5 to go south to work. The school is also directly south of the 405 exchange and north of the 84 exchange, both being major point of congestion that daily intrastate and intracity work commuters use extensively.
NegativeLatency 8y ago
Many commuters are coming from out of state, as noted in the article it’s people commuting from Washington state into the portland area
- rootusrootus 8y ago
  They pay taxes if they work here.

gbear605 8y ago

Schools are mostly funded by the town, not the state

kurthr 8y ago
Well, in Oregon they are poorly funded, because it's a low tax state, but many expensive things like teacher salaries are state funded. This is due to a Supreme Court decision requirement to provide equal education, and it's unclear if they have fully complied, but generally your statement is not correct. In many large states (Texas, California, NY) schools are almost fully state funded. https://crosscut.com/2017/12/oregon-school-funding-education-washington-mccleary-schools https://crosscut.com/2017/12/oregon-school-funding-education... https://education.findlaw.com/curriculum-standards-school-funding/education-finance-and-funding-state-and-local-sources.html https://education.findlaw.com/curriculum-standards-school-fu...
- ci5er 8y ago
  If Texas schools are state-funded, I'm paying way too high property taxes to live in Westlake! (Austin TX)[0]... [0] Yes that was an exaggerated response - but not by as much as you might think. https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/15/texas-school-funding-how-it-works/ https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/15/texas-school-funding...

ojbyrne 8y ago

I don’t entirely agree with your argument, but the article actually says the commuters are coming from a different state.

astura 8y ago

Schools are usually mostly funded by property tax of people/businesses in the school district.

kurthr 8y ago
That may have once been the case, but it is no longer the case. Almost all states, including Oregon, are required by equal education interpretations of the Supreme Court to share funding state wide. See links on comment below.

inferiorhuman 8y ago

The commuters are from out of state.

droithomme 8y ago
If it's true they are from out of state they are just people passing through the state, not commuters on their way to work each day. However significant amounts of the passenger vehicle traffic there is intrastate and intracounty, as can be seen both from the existence of much more traffic during the morning and evening rush hours, and also the traffic thinning out once it leaves the city.
- InitialLastName 8y ago
  > If it's true they are from out of state they are just people passing through the state, not commuters on their way to work each day. Have you looked at a map of where this school is [0]? It's literally between the Washington/Oregon border and downtown Portland. Why wouldn't there be a large commuting population in the Wash State Portland suburbs into downtown Portland? I'm not deeply familiar with Portland's geography, but it sure looks to me like the urban area goes right up to the Columbia river, so "the traffic thinning out once it leaves the city" would likely be... in Washington. [0] https://www.google.com/maps/place/Harriet+Tubman+Middle+School/@45.5680745,-122.6991181,12.25z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x5495a74f8ff8d6df:0xadd8a8197d97be71!8m2!3d45.539238!4d-122.6692837 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Harriet+Tubman+Middle+Scho...
  - droithomme 8y ago
    I know exactly where it is. It's several miles south of the border and all of this intermediary space - in Oregon - is taken up with very high density city, mostly residences. In these residences are people who work in Portland and drive to work each day, taking the several on and on ramps along this route. As you drive south through this area in the morning, there is heavy congestion at each on-ramp as people are getting on 5 to go south to work. The school is also directly south of the 405 exchange and north of the 84 exchange, both being major point of congestion that daily intrastate and intracity work commuters use extensively.

NegativeLatency 8y ago

Many commuters are coming from out of state, as noted in the article it’s people commuting from Washington state into the portland area

rootusrootus 8y ago
They pay taxes if they work here.