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You are confusing Chinese companies with Chinese government. In most areas, whatever restrictions/laws on foreign businesses, are also put on Chinese companies

You are confusing Chinese companies with Chinese government. In most areas, whatever restrictions/laws on foreign businesses, are also put on Chinese companies (private). Most foreign companies lost Chinese market due to fierce competition from local counterparts, not any imaginable barrier. Back in 2000s, Chinese government even gave green light when Huawei tried to sell [ref] itself to Motorola, but only been turned down by the American side, and in the past few months Huawei ascends from nowhere to the #1 target of US spy agencies. See the irony? edit ref: https://www.ft.com/content/fa8e7ab4-3905-11e9-b856-5404d3811663 https://www.ft.com/content/fa8e7ab4-3905-11e9-b856-5404d3811...

geezerjay 8y ago
> You are confusing Chinese companies with Chinese government. Is there any difference, really, specially if said company is a corporate arm of China's military?
- thisgoodlife 8y ago
  wait, what? Isn't Huawei a private company?
  - johnnyfaehell 8y ago
    Why don't you understand the difference between appearances and reality? It's not a hard concept to understand. China is a dictatorship, a very successful and controlling one. You don't get to do much, without the Chinese government approving it. You do what they want when they want or else. This is why all the really big companies are run by party members. Saying they're aren't in bed with each other and the government isn't in overall control is like claiming a 5-year-old is free to do whatever they want. While it may look like it, at any time the parent can intervene to prevent the child from doing something they don't want.
  - khuey 8y ago
    Nobody knows. The ownership structure of Huawei is extremely obfuscated and it has a dual share class system where the employee shares have no voting rights.
  - j16sdiz 8y ago
    Huawei is the textbook example of how Chinese government own "private". See, for example, http://csis.org/files/publication/130215_competitiveness_Huawei_casestudy_Web.pdf http://csis.org/files/publication/130215_competitiveness_Hua... It is very common to have a "private" company, a party division and government department share a same registration address / contact person in China.
- entity345 8y ago
  Nortel once had a CEO that was a former US Navy Admiral. Was Nortel a corporate arm of the US military? Edit: I flagged your comment because it's fake news and because you downvote anyone who do not agree.
  - DeonPenny 8y ago
    Is the navy the military of political party
  - sctb 8y ago
    We've already asked you to please stop breaking the guidelines and it's not happening so we've banned the account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - entity345 8y ago
      What have I done? I have just calmly stated a fact and called out a rather baseless allegation. If you condone this nefarious anti-Chinese climate and fake news, please just say so and I'll leave. It looks more and more that I am being harassed.
DeonPenny 8y ago
China ecosystem isn't anymore competitive than anyone elses. You notice all the founders of these chinese tech companies are also in the CCP
ratling 8y ago
They are the same thing. You don’t do business in China without playing ball with the state.
- jewelry_wolf 8y ago
  Don't you think that Huawei couldn't do business in US because it couldn't play the ball with the US government? LOL
  - ratling 8y ago
    Change their entire business model and act as a trojan horse for the US government? No that won't fly in the US (yes I'm aware of NSLs, there's a significant difference in degrees). In China that's standard procedure. Party says you switch up everything you're doing for their whims you do it.
ddoolin 8y ago
Off-topic, but are you the same techlead from YouTube?

geezerjay 8y ago

> You are confusing Chinese companies with Chinese government. Is there any difference, really, specially if said company is a corporate arm of China's military?

thisgoodlife 8y ago
wait, what? Isn't Huawei a private company?
- johnnyfaehell 8y ago
  Why don't you understand the difference between appearances and reality? It's not a hard concept to understand. China is a dictatorship, a very successful and controlling one. You don't get to do much, without the Chinese government approving it. You do what they want when they want or else. This is why all the really big companies are run by party members. Saying they're aren't in bed with each other and the government isn't in overall control is like claiming a 5-year-old is free to do whatever they want. While it may look like it, at any time the parent can intervene to prevent the child from doing something they don't want.
- khuey 8y ago
  Nobody knows. The ownership structure of Huawei is extremely obfuscated and it has a dual share class system where the employee shares have no voting rights.
- j16sdiz 8y ago
  Huawei is the textbook example of how Chinese government own "private". See, for example, http://csis.org/files/publication/130215_competitiveness_Huawei_casestudy_Web.pdf http://csis.org/files/publication/130215_competitiveness_Hua... It is very common to have a "private" company, a party division and government department share a same registration address / contact person in China.
entity345 8y ago
Nortel once had a CEO that was a former US Navy Admiral. Was Nortel a corporate arm of the US military? Edit: I flagged your comment because it's fake news and because you downvote anyone who do not agree.
- DeonPenny 8y ago
  Is the navy the military of political party
- sctb 8y ago
  We've already asked you to please stop breaking the guidelines and it's not happening so we've banned the account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - entity345 8y ago
    What have I done? I have just calmly stated a fact and called out a rather baseless allegation. If you condone this nefarious anti-Chinese climate and fake news, please just say so and I'll leave. It looks more and more that I am being harassed.

DeonPenny 8y ago

China ecosystem isn't anymore competitive than anyone elses. You notice all the founders of these chinese tech companies are also in the CCP

ratling 8y ago

They are the same thing. You don’t do business in China without playing ball with the state.

jewelry_wolf 8y ago
Don't you think that Huawei couldn't do business in US because it couldn't play the ball with the US government? LOL
- ratling 8y ago
  Change their entire business model and act as a trojan horse for the US government? No that won't fly in the US (yes I'm aware of NSLs, there's a significant difference in degrees). In China that's standard procedure. Party says you switch up everything you're doing for their whims you do it.

ddoolin 8y ago

Off-topic, but are you the same techlead from YouTube?