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Is it me or has Huawei only appeared in media the last few months? All my years of reading HN, etc. and no recollection until recent controvery. Feels like they

Is it me or has Huawei only appeared in media the last few months? All my years of reading HN, etc. and no recollection until recent controvery. Feels like they’ve managed to stir many waters in record time. For a company founded in 1987, what gave?

mmanfrin 8y ago
Huawei made the Nexus 8P and has been in the news pretty regularly over the past few years. There has been a lot of recent media coverage because of this issue. You have been hearing more about them because there has been more newsworthy events, but they have been in the news for a while.
- stonekyx 8y ago
  Maybe you mean Nexus 6P?
rakoo 8y ago
Huawei, and the Chinese industry in general is at the forefront of 5G coming soon, and the West is mad that China can be more advanced than them and scared that all the equipment we use for deploying 5G is from them and, consequently, full of (not backdoors) spying capabilities. As someone whose country isn't part of five eyes, the hypocrisy makes me quietly laugh. (Edit: updated for less gratuitous accusations)
- geowwy 8y ago
  The issue is not back doors in my opinion. It's more that the US is expecting 5G to be big (really big) and they don't want to world relying on China for their infrastructure. It's bad for (America's) national security and it gives China too much clout.
  - plugger 8y ago
    ESPECIALLY in Five Eyes locales.
  - atoav 8y ago
    Sadly the five eyes couldn’t proof a single backdoor in Huawei products while the history of backdoors in US hardware is quite well documented. If the five eyes hadn’t shown time and time again, that they don’t give a damn about the laws and rights of other democratic nations, and quite definitly use “security” as a token for industrial spionage, I might show more support. But please show more than some fiction in which Huwawei has backdoors nobody managed to proof just yet. Yeah they could. But do they?
    - zaphirplane 8y ago
      The issue isn’t current back doors as you are trying to shift the conversation towards, it is about future Chinese government ordered back doors. I mean you’d have to be in a special dumb category to insert back doors today with all the coverage
      - atoav 8y ago
        If you are outside the Five Eyes, you are left with the choice between US products (with a documented history of spying also on democratic nations) and Chinese products, which potentially in the future could also be host for government backdoors. This means the choice is only about who gets your trade secrets, with a bit more favour for huawei because they didn’t do it yet. It is so easy from an US perspective to say “Take our product, we are the good ones” and conviniently ignoring that people tasked with building a infrastructure that isn’t beeing spied on have a hard time choosing here. This would be easier if US products were actually trustworthy and there wasn’t a history of ignoring the rights of allied nations and court ordered backdoors. Why would I care if the backdoor was ordered by the chinese government or the US government? Both proofed they don’t really care about the rights of foreign citizen and both have aspirations to become or stay an empire. The US damaged itself with it’s undemocratic spying practices and the final bill for it is not there yet. That beeing said I’d love to pay a bit more for a good product I can trust, but the US is not the place for such a product.
        lexs 8y ago
        Aren't there European competitors for some/most of the stack like Nokia, Ericsson, as well Japanese?
  - rakoo 8y ago
    As opposed to the world relying on, say, American equipment, because that would be better for all the countries' national security? I definitely understand the argument but the hypocrisy is just too loud to put aside.
- curiousjorge 8y ago
  your ignorance is disgusting.
- sdinsn 8y ago
  What a ridiculous comment
CalRobert 8y ago
I think they've been bigger in Europe. I have a 3g dongle I got in 2013 in Ireland that's from Huawei. Every single "mobile broadband modem" that the providers here give you is from Huawei, annoyingly.

mmanfrin 8y ago

Huawei made the Nexus 8P and has been in the news pretty regularly over the past few years. There has been a lot of recent media coverage because of this issue. You have been hearing more about them because there has been more newsworthy events, but they have been in the news for a while.

stonekyx 8y ago
Maybe you mean Nexus 6P?

rakoo 8y ago

Huawei, and the Chinese industry in general is at the forefront of 5G coming soon, and the West is mad that China can be more advanced than them and scared that all the equipment we use for deploying 5G is from them and, consequently, full of (not backdoors) spying capabilities. As someone whose country isn't part of five eyes, the hypocrisy makes me quietly laugh. (Edit: updated for less gratuitous accusations)

geowwy 8y ago
The issue is not back doors in my opinion. It's more that the US is expecting 5G to be big (really big) and they don't want to world relying on China for their infrastructure. It's bad for (America's) national security and it gives China too much clout.
- plugger 8y ago
  ESPECIALLY in Five Eyes locales.
- atoav 8y ago
  Sadly the five eyes couldn’t proof a single backdoor in Huawei products while the history of backdoors in US hardware is quite well documented. If the five eyes hadn’t shown time and time again, that they don’t give a damn about the laws and rights of other democratic nations, and quite definitly use “security” as a token for industrial spionage, I might show more support. But please show more than some fiction in which Huwawei has backdoors nobody managed to proof just yet. Yeah they could. But do they?
  - zaphirplane 8y ago
    The issue isn’t current back doors as you are trying to shift the conversation towards, it is about future Chinese government ordered back doors. I mean you’d have to be in a special dumb category to insert back doors today with all the coverage
    - atoav 8y ago
      If you are outside the Five Eyes, you are left with the choice between US products (with a documented history of spying also on democratic nations) and Chinese products, which potentially in the future could also be host for government backdoors. This means the choice is only about who gets your trade secrets, with a bit more favour for huawei because they didn’t do it yet. It is so easy from an US perspective to say “Take our product, we are the good ones” and conviniently ignoring that people tasked with building a infrastructure that isn’t beeing spied on have a hard time choosing here. This would be easier if US products were actually trustworthy and there wasn’t a history of ignoring the rights of allied nations and court ordered backdoors. Why would I care if the backdoor was ordered by the chinese government or the US government? Both proofed they don’t really care about the rights of foreign citizen and both have aspirations to become or stay an empire. The US damaged itself with it’s undemocratic spying practices and the final bill for it is not there yet. That beeing said I’d love to pay a bit more for a good product I can trust, but the US is not the place for such a product.
      - lexs 8y ago
        Aren't there European competitors for some/most of the stack like Nokia, Ericsson, as well Japanese?
- rakoo 8y ago
  As opposed to the world relying on, say, American equipment, because that would be better for all the countries' national security? I definitely understand the argument but the hypocrisy is just too loud to put aside.
curiousjorge 8y ago
your ignorance is disgusting.
sdinsn 8y ago
What a ridiculous comment

CalRobert 8y ago

I think they've been bigger in Europe. I have a 3g dongle I got in 2013 in Ireland that's from Huawei. Every single "mobile broadband modem" that the providers here give you is from Huawei, annoyingly.