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Huawei is suing the US government

15 points by vector_spaces 8y ago

Leary 8y ago
Hopefully this will allow the government to show the evidence they have on Huawei in a court of law.
- chibg10 8y ago
  Isn't China's recent law requiring all companies to comply with government data requests enough? What if Huawei (willingly or not) put in a backdoor tomorrow? Are we supposed to be prepared to rip out all telecom equipment nationwide and replace it overnight to accommodate Huawei?
  - devoply 8y ago
    Yes the same goes for the US and its equipment and companies operating in other countries. Moving forward the only way to be secure is for your country to have its own equipment which is open source based.
    - chibg10 8y ago
      The US doesn't have a Huawei equivalent. Nokia and Ericsson are the Western counterparts in telecom iirc, and neither is American. The leading US smartphone seller is Apple, and there's nobody seriously comparing Apple to Huawei in data privacy. There are other differences as well. US companies can and do successfully push back against US government data requests (see Apple and the backdoor). The US government, despite its many flaws, is also far less aggressive and has a far more laissez-faire approach to governance in general than the CCP. This is true both domestically and in foreign affairs.
      - devoply 8y ago
        Did you just forget about Cisco? https://medium.com/@lia640230/cisco-vs-huawei-which-one-is-the-better-choice-for-ethernet-switches-59ffd324117d https://medium.com/@lia640230/cisco-vs-huawei-which-one-is-t... https://www.infoworld.com/article/2608141/snowden--the-nsa-planted-backdoors-in-cisco-products.html https://www.infoworld.com/article/2608141/snowden--the-nsa-p...
    - zaphirplane 8y ago
      No it doesn’t this is about the US blocking another country’s vendor from selling to certain US buyers. The US already has US vendors
- zaphirplane 8y ago
  I that doesn’t mean the evidence will be made public, thou can be inferred to be weak if the case is successful
diogenescynic 8y ago
American companies are constantly screwed over in China. I’m enjoying watching them get a taste of their own medicine and cry about it. Also, this is a fishing expedition for Chinese intelligence to know what methods the US used to obtain their info.
syntaxing 8y ago
You can spew all the whataboutism rhertoric you want, but the fact that Huawei can go through the motions to sue the US government shows why the US has the moral standing in this privacy argument. I wouldn't be surprised if the US government can get my data in one form or another but I expect it to be done in due process either in the form of subpoena or some sort (which is why the Snowden leak was so important). You cannot say the same in China. Just look at the two Canadians arrested compared to Meng Wan Zhou. The family of the two Canadians couldn't even talk to them when they were first arrested while Meng Wan Zhou's husband and lawyer was in immediate contact. The difference is in the Justice system.

15 points by vector_spaces 8y ago

Leary 8y ago

Hopefully this will allow the government to show the evidence they have on Huawei in a court of law.

chibg10 8y ago
Isn't China's recent law requiring all companies to comply with government data requests enough? What if Huawei (willingly or not) put in a backdoor tomorrow? Are we supposed to be prepared to rip out all telecom equipment nationwide and replace it overnight to accommodate Huawei?
- devoply 8y ago
  Yes the same goes for the US and its equipment and companies operating in other countries. Moving forward the only way to be secure is for your country to have its own equipment which is open source based.
  - chibg10 8y ago
    The US doesn't have a Huawei equivalent. Nokia and Ericsson are the Western counterparts in telecom iirc, and neither is American. The leading US smartphone seller is Apple, and there's nobody seriously comparing Apple to Huawei in data privacy. There are other differences as well. US companies can and do successfully push back against US government data requests (see Apple and the backdoor). The US government, despite its many flaws, is also far less aggressive and has a far more laissez-faire approach to governance in general than the CCP. This is true both domestically and in foreign affairs.
    - devoply 8y ago
      Did you just forget about Cisco? https://medium.com/@lia640230/cisco-vs-huawei-which-one-is-the-better-choice-for-ethernet-switches-59ffd324117d https://medium.com/@lia640230/cisco-vs-huawei-which-one-is-t... https://www.infoworld.com/article/2608141/snowden--the-nsa-planted-backdoors-in-cisco-products.html https://www.infoworld.com/article/2608141/snowden--the-nsa-p...
  - zaphirplane 8y ago
    No it doesn’t this is about the US blocking another country’s vendor from selling to certain US buyers. The US already has US vendors
zaphirplane 8y ago
I that doesn’t mean the evidence will be made public, thou can be inferred to be weak if the case is successful

diogenescynic 8y ago

American companies are constantly screwed over in China. I’m enjoying watching them get a taste of their own medicine and cry about it. Also, this is a fishing expedition for Chinese intelligence to know what methods the US used to obtain their info.

syntaxing 8y ago

You can spew all the whataboutism rhertoric you want, but the fact that Huawei can go through the motions to sue the US government shows why the US has the moral standing in this privacy argument. I wouldn't be surprised if the US government can get my data in one form or another but I expect it to be done in due process either in the form of subpoena or some sort (which is why the Snowden leak was so important). You cannot say the same in China. Just look at the two Canadians arrested compared to Meng Wan Zhou. The family of the two Canadians couldn't even talk to them when they were first arrested while Meng Wan Zhou's husband and lawyer was in immediate contact. The difference is in the Justice system.