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99% of their engineers could afford to do the right thing. They have plenty of alternatives that pay very well, but they'd rather sell their soul for a few more

99% of their engineers could afford to do the right thing. They have plenty of alternatives that pay very well, but they'd rather sell their soul for a few more luxuries. They are choosing to be bad people.

the_cat_kittles 8y ago
this is right. to think you have no choice means you are part of the problem
- taytus 8y ago
  You are showing your privilege.
  - TheLegace 8y ago
    You are showing your entitlement.
  - the_cat_kittles 8y ago
    please explain to me how you have no choice when the vast majority of people on earth do not work for facebook
weej 8y ago
"Bad people" feels a little trite. What about individuals who feel they are truly joining to try to make a difference for the better in improving the culture, security, data privacy, or overall business? Too altruistic or is that part of the story?
- JKCalhoun 8y ago
  I like your optimism, but, again with all the bad PR, how could someone join FB and believe they are improving the culture? Unless they want to join to try to change it from the inside?
ascendantlogic 8y ago
You're discovering the dirty secret that a lot of people generally don't care about doing the right thing when doing the wrong thing is so lucrative. People will talk a big game but shove a pile of cash in their face and things get complicated fast.
- portal_narlish 8y ago
  Capitalism 101
PhoenixReborn 8y ago
This view seems somewhat reductionist, no? I don't work at FB and never have, but I could easily see a case for working on projects that contribute back to the developer community (e.g. React). These wouldn't be directly related to user tracking/privacy violations and they might be selling their souls, but are contributing something useful to the world. In this case, what do you think would step up to fill the void in OSS, and what do you think is the best move for one of those developers?
rifung 8y ago
I don't work at FB but I don't agree with this. Is it really better in the long run that people who disagree with privacy intrusions leave? I'd argue that it's better they stay and are part of the conversation to improve things. If all that's left at FB are people who are solely motivated my greed, and I am sure there are certainly enough of those people to run FB, isn't this only worse for the users?

the_cat_kittles 8y ago

this is right. to think you have no choice means you are part of the problem

taytus 8y ago
You are showing your privilege.
- TheLegace 8y ago
  You are showing your entitlement.
- the_cat_kittles 8y ago
  please explain to me how you have no choice when the vast majority of people on earth do not work for facebook

weej 8y ago

"Bad people" feels a little trite. What about individuals who feel they are truly joining to try to make a difference for the better in improving the culture, security, data privacy, or overall business? Too altruistic or is that part of the story?

JKCalhoun 8y ago
I like your optimism, but, again with all the bad PR, how could someone join FB and believe they are improving the culture? Unless they want to join to try to change it from the inside?

ascendantlogic 8y ago

You're discovering the dirty secret that a lot of people generally don't care about doing the right thing when doing the wrong thing is so lucrative. People will talk a big game but shove a pile of cash in their face and things get complicated fast.

portal_narlish 8y ago
Capitalism 101

PhoenixReborn 8y ago

This view seems somewhat reductionist, no? I don't work at FB and never have, but I could easily see a case for working on projects that contribute back to the developer community (e.g. React). These wouldn't be directly related to user tracking/privacy violations and they might be selling their souls, but are contributing something useful to the world. In this case, what do you think would step up to fill the void in OSS, and what do you think is the best move for one of those developers?

rifung 8y ago

I don't work at FB but I don't agree with this. Is it really better in the long run that people who disagree with privacy intrusions leave? I'd argue that it's better they stay and are part of the conversation to improve things. If all that's left at FB are people who are solely motivated my greed, and I am sure there are certainly enough of those people to run FB, isn't this only worse for the users?