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California is over 1/10th the US population. Why would you just ignore it?

by Retra 8y ago

ben509 8y ago
Their electors got to vote. Same as how they have two Senators like every other state. And let's toss this question back at you: why does California routinely ignore all of California outside LA and San Francisco? Similarly, why did all the polls and candidates (including Republicans!) other than Trump entirely ignore the rust belt? That's why his win came out of nowhere, after all. Obviously those areas are less populated, but why should a minority not have representation? Larger picture, how do you manage a union of states when not even states but a handful of cities hold all the political influence? If we switch to a popular vote, a handful of coastal cities will have a lock on the federal government. In the long run, it's called the United States because states are sovereign political entities, and that union works because small states have political influence. Instead of eliminating the electoral college, Democrats would do far better if they got back to their roots as the party of the working class.
- dontreact 8y ago
  This thread just seems like changing the goalposts. It started with someone saying that Trump won the majority of the votes. Which is just not true. That is all
- Retra 8y ago
  You're making a lot of presumptive, imprecise, and careless claims. I disagree with your conclusions, and I question the validity of your assumptions. If you want to have this discussion, I'd urge you to engage in a more digestible and exacting approach, rather than trying to ramble your way through the topic.
- skinnymuch 8y ago
  A handful of cities don’t hold [all] the political influence. For things like what was being discussed, the presidency, cities don’t hold any more power than the rest of the country. People’s votes in NYC for example are pretty useless when voting for President. A lot of your other things are pretty random and presumptive. You didn’t even agree that California should obviously count when considering who gets more votes nation-wide.

California is over 1/10th the US population. Why would you just ignore it?

by Retra 8y ago

California is over 1/10th the US population. Why would you just ignore it?

Their electors got to vote. Same as how they have two Senators like every other state. And let's toss this question back at you: why does California routinely ignore all of California outside LA and San Francisco? Similarly, why did all the polls and candidates (including Republicans!) other than Trump entirely ignore the rust belt? That's why his win came out of nowhere, after all. Obviously those areas are less populated, but why should a minority not have representation? Larger picture, how do you manage a union of states when not even states but a handful of cities hold all the political influence? If we switch to a popular vote, a handful of coastal cities will have a lock on the federal government. In the long run, it's called the United States because states are sovereign political entities, and that union works because small states have political influence. Instead of eliminating the electoral college, Democrats would do far better if they got back to their roots as the party of the working class.

dontreact 8y ago
This thread just seems like changing the goalposts. It started with someone saying that Trump won the majority of the votes. Which is just not true. That is all
Retra 8y ago
You're making a lot of presumptive, imprecise, and careless claims. I disagree with your conclusions, and I question the validity of your assumptions. If you want to have this discussion, I'd urge you to engage in a more digestible and exacting approach, rather than trying to ramble your way through the topic.
skinnymuch 8y ago
A handful of cities don’t hold [all] the political influence. For things like what was being discussed, the presidency, cities don’t hold any more power than the rest of the country. People’s votes in NYC for example are pretty useless when voting for President. A lot of your other things are pretty random and presumptive. You didn’t even agree that California should obviously count when considering who gets more votes nation-wide.