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If you have an inalienable right to repair/rebuild/modify your Tesla do you also have the right to do the same to your future level 5, fully-autonomous self dri

by reddog 8y ago

If you have an inalienable right to repair/rebuild/modify your Tesla do you also have the right to do the same to your future level 5, fully-autonomous self driving car? Rich is a true engineering rock star for pulling off what he did with the Tesla. And I fully support his right to do so and think Tesla should be more supportive to the backyard mechanics. But if he was trying to do the same thing by kludging together a couple of broken, fully-autonomous cars? I think that is where I would draw the line.

jaak 8y ago
If you have an inalienable right to repair/rebuild/modify your Tesla do you also have the right to do the same to your future level 5, fully-autonomous self driving car? Absolutely you do. I expect there to be a certain amount of certification and oversight in safety critical systems - perhaps similar to how the FAA regulates repair and maintenance for general aviation.
- oceanplexian 8y ago
  Even the FAA has an experimental aircraft category where people are allowed to work on their own aircraft and systems with some, but less limited regulation.
- reddog 8y ago
  Would it then be OK for the autonomous car DIYer to modify the software to drive a bit more aggressively? Or to always favor passenger survival over pedestrian/bicyclist survival in an emergency situation? Or maybe he just wants to use a less expensive LIDAR than the the one car was originally equipped with and wants to mount it in a different place? For that matter, would you be OK with Tesla open sourcing their existing lane keeping/auto pilot system so current owners could hack it however they want?
ghettoCoder 8y ago
How is that different than the folks who run an after market engine management system, or a custom fuel map on the OEM board? Car manufacturers tried to shut down after-market companies doing this with the same line of argument as well back in the day and lost. We are all still waiting for the car-pocalypse it would cause if permitted to go on. The reality is level 5 is a pipe-dream except for a few situations and I don't expect to ever see it widespread until they resolve the situation where the road is snow-covered, ditch is full of snow so can not be easily identified, it's snowing moderately heavy and there's oncoming traffic, while driving at night. Oh, and it's in a rural area so maps are somewhat lacking in accuracy. When that happens I'll believe it.
- HeyLaughingBoy 8y ago
  You forgot deer at the side of the road, preparing to run in front of the car ;-)

by reddog 8y ago

jaak 8y ago

If you have an inalienable right to repair/rebuild/modify your Tesla do you also have the right to do the same to your future level 5, fully-autonomous self driving car? Absolutely you do. I expect there to be a certain amount of certification and oversight in safety critical systems - perhaps similar to how the FAA regulates repair and maintenance for general aviation.

oceanplexian 8y ago
Even the FAA has an experimental aircraft category where people are allowed to work on their own aircraft and systems with some, but less limited regulation.
reddog 8y ago
Would it then be OK for the autonomous car DIYer to modify the software to drive a bit more aggressively? Or to always favor passenger survival over pedestrian/bicyclist survival in an emergency situation? Or maybe he just wants to use a less expensive LIDAR than the the one car was originally equipped with and wants to mount it in a different place? For that matter, would you be OK with Tesla open sourcing their existing lane keeping/auto pilot system so current owners could hack it however they want?

ghettoCoder 8y ago

How is that different than the folks who run an after market engine management system, or a custom fuel map on the OEM board? Car manufacturers tried to shut down after-market companies doing this with the same line of argument as well back in the day and lost. We are all still waiting for the car-pocalypse it would cause if permitted to go on. The reality is level 5 is a pipe-dream except for a few situations and I don't expect to ever see it widespread until they resolve the situation where the road is snow-covered, ditch is full of snow so can not be easily identified, it's snowing moderately heavy and there's oncoming traffic, while driving at night. Oh, and it's in a rural area so maps are somewhat lacking in accuracy. When that happens I'll believe it.

HeyLaughingBoy 8y ago
You forgot deer at the side of the road, preparing to run in front of the car ;-)