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Not similar in scale but in nature. That is: asking a lot of ill-informed people for their opinion or vote (who are most likely absolutely oblivious which conse

Not similar in scale but in nature. That is: asking a lot of ill-informed people for their opinion or vote (who are most likely absolutely oblivious which consequences that will entail). Check the case of the Swiss referendum: people got stirred up against immigration, voted against it, suddenly the freedom of movement agreement with the EU got jeopardized and thereby all of the other agreements which were linked by a so-called guillotine clause were in danger of being terminated. (The clause was exactly included to prevent cherry picking later).

Vinnl 8y ago
I'm not familiar with the Swiss referendum, but Brexit was a case of asking a lot of ill-informed people for their vote and then blindly doing what they said. I don't think that was the case here; the survey just informed policy, rather than dictate it.
- vixen99 8y ago
  You might at least say why you think your bald statement should carry weight. Plenty of intellectuals support Brexit. https://briefingsforbrexit.com/ https://briefingsforbrexit.com/. A lot of people understood Tony Benn's five questions about people in power. https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tony-benn-dead-five-questions-power-other-memorable-quotes-1440277 https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tony-benn-dead-five-questions-powe... "What power have you got? "Where did you get it from? "In whose interests do you use it? "To whom are you accountable? "How do we get rid of you?". Prior to the Brexit vote a lot of people had trouble squaring these vis a vis the EU - especially the last one. Indeed, this, not immigration (UK is already a highly diverse society) was a significant factor for many voters. Clearly you have no problem with Benn's questions but maybe you could avoid making gross generalizations regarding those who disagree. Benn's comment about that last question: "Anyone who cannot answer the last of those questions does not live in a democratic system."
  - Vinnl 8y ago
    > your bald statement I'm not sure what bald statement you think I made - from the context of your post, I presume you think I said no intellectuals support Brexit? I did not; I wasn't even making a point about Brexit. The fact is that Brexit is the result of a referendum of which the government said they will adhere to its outcome, and I contrasted it to the topic at hand -the end of the DST-switch- in which the government ran a survey, but did not state they would adhere to whatever it results in.
  - guitarbill 8y ago
    Bit ironic for a country who's head of state is still a monarch.

Vinnl 8y ago

I'm not familiar with the Swiss referendum, but Brexit was a case of asking a lot of ill-informed people for their vote and then blindly doing what they said. I don't think that was the case here; the survey just informed policy, rather than dictate it.

vixen99 8y ago
You might at least say why you think your bald statement should carry weight. Plenty of intellectuals support Brexit. https://briefingsforbrexit.com/ https://briefingsforbrexit.com/. A lot of people understood Tony Benn's five questions about people in power. https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tony-benn-dead-five-questions-power-other-memorable-quotes-1440277 https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tony-benn-dead-five-questions-powe... "What power have you got? "Where did you get it from? "In whose interests do you use it? "To whom are you accountable? "How do we get rid of you?". Prior to the Brexit vote a lot of people had trouble squaring these vis a vis the EU - especially the last one. Indeed, this, not immigration (UK is already a highly diverse society) was a significant factor for many voters. Clearly you have no problem with Benn's questions but maybe you could avoid making gross generalizations regarding those who disagree. Benn's comment about that last question: "Anyone who cannot answer the last of those questions does not live in a democratic system."
- Vinnl 8y ago
  > your bald statement I'm not sure what bald statement you think I made - from the context of your post, I presume you think I said no intellectuals support Brexit? I did not; I wasn't even making a point about Brexit. The fact is that Brexit is the result of a referendum of which the government said they will adhere to its outcome, and I contrasted it to the topic at hand -the end of the DST-switch- in which the government ran a survey, but did not state they would adhere to whatever it results in.
- guitarbill 8y ago
  Bit ironic for a country who's head of state is still a monarch.