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There is no natural law stipulating when rush hour happens or when buissness hours should be though. Shops will just start to open at 10 instead of 9 and workd

by tirpen 8y ago

There is no natural law stipulating when rush hour happens or when buissness hours should be though. Shops will just start to open at 10 instead of 9 and workdays will start at 9 instead of 8 in those areas where this is a problem.

mcv 8y ago
By that argument, the whole world might as well use UTC everywhere. The whole idea of timezones is that local time still has some resemblance to natural time. If we're going to let go of that, I'd rather we just abandon timezones altogether and use UTC everywhere.
- beobab 8y ago
  I actually like this idea. Mostly because it means that my Elite Dangerous time will be the same as my "local time".
  - mcv 8y ago
    You've got a solid grasp on your priorities. But it would definitely make it easier to coordinate online events, including gaming. As the world gets more globalised thanks to the internet, maybe it's not such a crazy idea after all. Or at least, maybe people should be more aware of how their local time relates to UTC, so they can think it both local time and UTC.
  - K2L8M11N2 8y ago
    https://qntm.org/abolish https://qntm.org/abolish
tobyhinloopen 8y ago
You're forgetting some "laws". Let me list them in order of priority: 1. Business hours must be kept in sync with the important countries next to them. This is important for communications between companies. When business hours are off by 1 hour, there is 1 hour less to communicate with your neighbour countries at business hours. That is 12.5% of the business day you cannot reliably contact another company in another country. 2. The clock must be equal to these important countries to not make mistakes when setting appointments. 3. Business people with kids have to bring their kids to school before business hours start. Schools start before business hours, about 30 minutes up to an hour earlier. 4. Shops open relative to business hours. The reality is that north-west EU will do whatever Germany does. Germany wants GMT+2. That means that all countries west of Germany that follow Germany will have post 10 o'clock sunrises in winter, 2 hours after people get out to bring their kids to school & go to work.
- Borealid 8y ago
  When business hours are off by one hour, there is one hour less to communicate with your neighboring countries during business hours. If you had an eight-hour work day, a one-hour time offset from a neighboring country would mean you overlap with them for seven hours, and they overlap with you for seven hours. One of you loses an hour off the beginning of your day, and the other loses an hour off the end, but that does not add up to a loss of two hours. This is especially obvious when you have an eight hour workday with an eight hour time zone offset. That does not mean you have sixteen hours less communication time.
  - tobyhinloopen 8y ago
    Oh right. I've modified my comment :)
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- jcelerier 8y ago
  > The reality is that north-west EU will do whatever Germany does. Germany wants GMT+2. That means that all countries west of Germany that follow Germany will have post 10 o'clock sunrises in winter, 2 hours after people get out to bring their kids to school & go to work. As a french I don't see the problem with that, I'd much rather have more sunlight in the evening when I can actually go out and do stuff
  - tobyhinloopen 8y ago
    Maybe you don't, but it really messes with your biological rhythm to get up before dark. If you get up, go to work and start your job all while it's dark outside, it is really hard to get going and not getting depressed in the long term. Maybe not for you, but for many it will be. The only daylight people will experience is when they leave their job. That's rough.
- ghaff 8y ago
  re: 1 and 2. Yet lots of businesses in US states communicate with other businesses (and company locations) in different time zones including those in adjacent states in some cases. To say nothing of other countries. Dealing with timezone differences is routine for many people (and fortunately something that computers mostly handle pretty well except when you forget to provide them with timezone info). There's a good argument for not proliferating timezones beyond a certain point. But, given they exist for good reason, you're always going to have lines that people need to communicate (and even commute) over.

by tirpen 8y ago

mcv 8y ago

By that argument, the whole world might as well use UTC everywhere. The whole idea of timezones is that local time still has some resemblance to natural time. If we're going to let go of that, I'd rather we just abandon timezones altogether and use UTC everywhere.

beobab 8y ago
I actually like this idea. Mostly because it means that my Elite Dangerous time will be the same as my "local time".
- mcv 8y ago
  You've got a solid grasp on your priorities. But it would definitely make it easier to coordinate online events, including gaming. As the world gets more globalised thanks to the internet, maybe it's not such a crazy idea after all. Or at least, maybe people should be more aware of how their local time relates to UTC, so they can think it both local time and UTC.
- K2L8M11N2 8y ago
  https://qntm.org/abolish https://qntm.org/abolish

tobyhinloopen 8y ago

You're forgetting some "laws". Let me list them in order of priority: 1. Business hours must be kept in sync with the important countries next to them. This is important for communications between companies. When business hours are off by 1 hour, there is 1 hour less to communicate with your neighbour countries at business hours. That is 12.5% of the business day you cannot reliably contact another company in another country. 2. The clock must be equal to these important countries to not make mistakes when setting appointments. 3. Business people with kids have to bring their kids to school before business hours start. Schools start before business hours, about 30 minutes up to an hour earlier. 4. Shops open relative to business hours. The reality is that north-west EU will do whatever Germany does. Germany wants GMT+2. That means that all countries west of Germany that follow Germany will have post 10 o'clock sunrises in winter, 2 hours after people get out to bring their kids to school & go to work.

Borealid 8y ago
When business hours are off by one hour, there is one hour less to communicate with your neighboring countries during business hours. If you had an eight-hour work day, a one-hour time offset from a neighboring country would mean you overlap with them for seven hours, and they overlap with you for seven hours. One of you loses an hour off the beginning of your day, and the other loses an hour off the end, but that does not add up to a loss of two hours. This is especially obvious when you have an eight hour workday with an eight hour time zone offset. That does not mean you have sixteen hours less communication time.
- tobyhinloopen 8y ago
  Oh right. I've modified my comment :)
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jcelerier 8y ago
> The reality is that north-west EU will do whatever Germany does. Germany wants GMT+2. That means that all countries west of Germany that follow Germany will have post 10 o'clock sunrises in winter, 2 hours after people get out to bring their kids to school & go to work. As a french I don't see the problem with that, I'd much rather have more sunlight in the evening when I can actually go out and do stuff
- tobyhinloopen 8y ago
  Maybe you don't, but it really messes with your biological rhythm to get up before dark. If you get up, go to work and start your job all while it's dark outside, it is really hard to get going and not getting depressed in the long term. Maybe not for you, but for many it will be. The only daylight people will experience is when they leave their job. That's rough.
ghaff 8y ago
re: 1 and 2. Yet lots of businesses in US states communicate with other businesses (and company locations) in different time zones including those in adjacent states in some cases. To say nothing of other countries. Dealing with timezone differences is routine for many people (and fortunately something that computers mostly handle pretty well except when you forget to provide them with timezone info). There's a good argument for not proliferating timezones beyond a certain point. But, given they exist for good reason, you're always going to have lines that people need to communicate (and even commute) over.