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Collectively bargain with your coworkers to work 8-4 instead of 9-5 then. Nothing at all prevents workplaces from independently adopting their own biannual shi

by zanny 8y ago

Collectively bargain with your coworkers to work 8-4 instead of 9-5 then. Nothing at all prevents workplaces from independently adopting their own biannual shift scheduling savings time if they want to. That argument against sane time that doesn't constantly change is "we don't have any power in our workplaces to see the change we want in our working conditions" and all I hear is "wouldn't it be nice if we had a union".

bonzini 8y ago
If schools also do not switch biannually (which of course they won't) that simply does not work for families with children.
- ben_w 8y ago
  Are schools also 09:00-17:00 where you live? Where I grew up they were 09:00-15:30. Not exactly good for commmunters anyway. Why would shifting things by an hour make much difference, when alternate arrangements are needed regardless?
  - bonzini 8y ago
    Here elementary schools are 8:30-16:30 while middle schools are 8:00-13:00 (but they can stay at home alone in the afternoon). On the other hand working hours are usually more like 9:30-18:00 (8 hours plus lunch break). Dinner starts around 19 or even 19:30. It's common to have parents take the kids to school and grandparents or neighbors pick them up, and also the schools open earlier than the time classes start. However, if the parents were to start working at 8:30 with a 45 minutes commute, they still wouldn't have time to take the kids to school and then reach their workplace in time.
harperlee 8y ago
That only works with some types of work. Anything customer-facing is difficult to change. E.g. you may decide to open/close your restaurant or bakery at different times. It will probably be a very bad idea. The point of “changing the clock” is that the clock synchronizes all alarm clocks, all contracts, all billboards, al timetables and schedules - so the change updates everything transactionally.

by zanny 8y ago

bonzini 8y ago

If schools also do not switch biannually (which of course they won't) that simply does not work for families with children.

ben_w 8y ago
Are schools also 09:00-17:00 where you live? Where I grew up they were 09:00-15:30. Not exactly good for commmunters anyway. Why would shifting things by an hour make much difference, when alternate arrangements are needed regardless?
- bonzini 8y ago
  Here elementary schools are 8:30-16:30 while middle schools are 8:00-13:00 (but they can stay at home alone in the afternoon). On the other hand working hours are usually more like 9:30-18:00 (8 hours plus lunch break). Dinner starts around 19 or even 19:30. It's common to have parents take the kids to school and grandparents or neighbors pick them up, and also the schools open earlier than the time classes start. However, if the parents were to start working at 8:30 with a 45 minutes commute, they still wouldn't have time to take the kids to school and then reach their workplace in time.

harperlee 8y ago

That only works with some types of work. Anything customer-facing is difficult to change. E.g. you may decide to open/close your restaurant or bakery at different times. It will probably be a very bad idea. The point of “changing the clock” is that the clock synchronizes all alarm clocks, all contracts, all billboards, al timetables and schedules - so the change updates everything transactionally.