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> mandated EU-wide summer time has only existed since 2002 and this repeal only repeals the mandatory adherence to daylight savings. Their next problem is cons

by lsh 8y ago

> mandated EU-wide summer time has only existed since 2002 and this repeal only repeals the mandatory adherence to daylight savings. Their next problem is consistency and coordination of the removal of DST among member states. And the Germans seem to be dominating the vote as well, so the really hard work in negotiating with others to remove their DST is the real barrier.

Spearchucker 8y ago
"And the Germans seem to be dominating the vote..." On what basis are Germany dominating the vote? They cannot. No EU member state can dominate a vote. Germany could at best lobby other member states, as other member states can (and do) lobby Germany.
- ben_w 8y ago
  The number of seats in the EP is proportional to the population, and Germany is slightly more populous than any other nation. I wouldn’t call it “dominating”, but as a nation it is more influential. Separately, the seats are divided into parties, and not all MEPs represent the interests of their national governments — UKIP prior to the referendum, for example.
  - anoncake 8y ago
    > The number of seats in the EP is proportional to the population Not quite, larger countries have fewer MEPs per capita[0][1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apportionment_in_the_European_Parliament https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apportionment_in_the_European_... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degressive_proportionality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degressive_proportionality
- LoSboccacc 8y ago
  Doesn't seem you were paying attention. Germany carrot and stick smaller states while engaging in favor exchanges with France, de facto dominating the European Parliament. Go check where art. 11 and the austerity protocols come from.
  - tom_mellior 8y ago
    You are confusing the Parliament and the Council.
- logifail 8y ago
  > On what basis are Germany dominating the vote? "In the largest survey ever conducted by the European Commission, 80% of around 4.6 million respondents said they favor abolishing the finicky practice of changing the clocks in summer and winter" "While citizens from all EU member states voted in the poll, around two-thirds of responses came from Germany " https://qz.com/1375622/eu-citizens-voted-to-abolish-daylight-saving-time-in-a-landslide/ https://qz.com/1375622/eu-citizens-voted-to-abolish-daylight...
  - blattimwind 8y ago
    Reason being that people picked this up very quickly and for once this poll even made it into mass media before it was over. I think this only shows how much changing clocks annoys people; they hear about a poll, they go vote. AIUI in most other countries this initial pick-up and publicity just didn't happen.
    - afarrell 8y ago
      > mass media In which languages?
      - blattimwind 8y ago
        Implied by context: German media.
- SyneRyder 8y ago
  > On what basis are Germany dominating the vote? The initial EU online public vote was dominated by German voters. There were 4.6 Million votes, of which 3 Million came from Germany [1]: "More than 80 percent of respondents to the largest online survey in EU history are in favor of abolishing changing the clocks in summer and winter, EU sources reported Wednesday. Around 4.6 million people took part in the survey, which ran between July 4 and August 16. Three million of the respondents were from Germany. And from the EU Commission report [2]: "It should be noted that the largest amount of responses came from Germany (70% of all replies), which has a statistical influence on the average results." That said, from section 3.2 of the EU Commission report, Cyprus & Greece were the only two countries where citizens voted to keep daylight saving. [1] https://www.dw.com/en/eu-citizens-feel-times-up-for-changing-clocks/a-45263664 https://www.dw.com/en/eu-citizens-feel-times-up-for-changing... [2] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:52018SC0406 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:52...
  - imarg 8y ago
    Edit: I think I misunderstood your comment. I thought you meant Greece and Cyprus prefer to keep summer time for ever. Whereas you probably meant that Greece and Cyprus wanted to keep changing the clocks. Anyway I leave my initial comment below. I think you read that wrong. You should look at section 3.5. "The highest share of respondents in favour of “permanent summertime” is in Portugal (79%), Cyprus (73%) and Poland (72%)."
- Reason077 8y ago
  > "On what basis are Germany dominating the vote?" I suspect it comes down to the issue getting more publicity, interest and attention from media in Germany compared to other EU nations.

by lsh 8y ago

Spearchucker 8y ago

"And the Germans seem to be dominating the vote..." On what basis are Germany dominating the vote? They cannot. No EU member state can dominate a vote. Germany could at best lobby other member states, as other member states can (and do) lobby Germany.

ben_w 8y ago
The number of seats in the EP is proportional to the population, and Germany is slightly more populous than any other nation. I wouldn’t call it “dominating”, but as a nation it is more influential. Separately, the seats are divided into parties, and not all MEPs represent the interests of their national governments — UKIP prior to the referendum, for example.
- anoncake 8y ago
  > The number of seats in the EP is proportional to the population Not quite, larger countries have fewer MEPs per capita[0][1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apportionment_in_the_European_Parliament https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apportionment_in_the_European_... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degressive_proportionality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degressive_proportionality
LoSboccacc 8y ago
Doesn't seem you were paying attention. Germany carrot and stick smaller states while engaging in favor exchanges with France, de facto dominating the European Parliament. Go check where art. 11 and the austerity protocols come from.
- tom_mellior 8y ago
  You are confusing the Parliament and the Council.
logifail 8y ago
> On what basis are Germany dominating the vote? "In the largest survey ever conducted by the European Commission, 80% of around 4.6 million respondents said they favor abolishing the finicky practice of changing the clocks in summer and winter" "While citizens from all EU member states voted in the poll, around two-thirds of responses came from Germany " https://qz.com/1375622/eu-citizens-voted-to-abolish-daylight-saving-time-in-a-landslide/ https://qz.com/1375622/eu-citizens-voted-to-abolish-daylight...
- blattimwind 8y ago
  Reason being that people picked this up very quickly and for once this poll even made it into mass media before it was over. I think this only shows how much changing clocks annoys people; they hear about a poll, they go vote. AIUI in most other countries this initial pick-up and publicity just didn't happen.
  - afarrell 8y ago
    > mass media In which languages?
    - blattimwind 8y ago
      Implied by context: German media.
SyneRyder 8y ago
> On what basis are Germany dominating the vote? The initial EU online public vote was dominated by German voters. There were 4.6 Million votes, of which 3 Million came from Germany [1]: "More than 80 percent of respondents to the largest online survey in EU history are in favor of abolishing changing the clocks in summer and winter, EU sources reported Wednesday. Around 4.6 million people took part in the survey, which ran between July 4 and August 16. Three million of the respondents were from Germany. And from the EU Commission report [2]: "It should be noted that the largest amount of responses came from Germany (70% of all replies), which has a statistical influence on the average results." That said, from section 3.2 of the EU Commission report, Cyprus & Greece were the only two countries where citizens voted to keep daylight saving. [1] https://www.dw.com/en/eu-citizens-feel-times-up-for-changing-clocks/a-45263664 https://www.dw.com/en/eu-citizens-feel-times-up-for-changing... [2] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:52018SC0406 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:52...
- imarg 8y ago
  Edit: I think I misunderstood your comment. I thought you meant Greece and Cyprus prefer to keep summer time for ever. Whereas you probably meant that Greece and Cyprus wanted to keep changing the clocks. Anyway I leave my initial comment below. I think you read that wrong. You should look at section 3.5. "The highest share of respondents in favour of “permanent summertime” is in Portugal (79%), Cyprus (73%) and Poland (72%)."
Reason077 8y ago
> "On what basis are Germany dominating the vote?" I suspect it comes down to the issue getting more publicity, interest and attention from media in Germany compared to other EU nations.