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...there was the report by Major General Taguba which included in it the fact that a man was forced to rape his son while under U.S. custody. There is no such

by GHFigs 16y ago

...there was the report by Major General Taguba which included in it the fact that a man was forced to rape his son while under U.S. custody. There is no such finding in the Taguba Report. One can hide behind the fact that it was Iraqis doing this... Being accurate is not "hiding". The assertion that I read was that Wikileaks had released "documents about the U.S. torturing people". That assertion is false. The distinction is absolutely crucial to what can and should be done about it.

yequalsx 16y ago
Sorry. My mistake. General Taguba's report showed that a man was forced to have sex with a teenage boy. The boy wasn't his son. Delivering prisoners to people who you know will torture them is the same as conducting the torture yourself. The distinction is meaningless.
- GHFigs 16y ago
  General Taguba's report showed that a man was forced to have sex with a teenage boy. It did not. Please do not mistake me for someone unwilling or unable to do my own research, or someone interested in being lied to. This will be my final comment. The finding that you are misreporting is on page 17, item I, under the heading "I find the intentional abuse of detainees by military personel included the following acts": "Writing "I am a Rapest" (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee and then photographing him naked;" If you believe that events transpired differently, that is your right, but it is not supported by the report you cited. The distinction is meaningless. Let me reiterate with different emphasis: The distinction is absolutely crucial to what can and should be done about it. Having a clear picture of the problem and being accurate and precise about what is actually going on is essential to finding a solution. Obscuring the problem under a blurry haze of blame is not a solution and doesn't get you any closer to one. It's like trying to untangle a knotted mess of cables by trying to decide which cable's fault it is and then pointing at it harder and harder in the hope that it will resolve itself.
  - yequalsx 16y ago
    My mistake again. I misread what was meant by "forcibly rape". I took forcibly to mean he was being forced. However, there are many other things in the report detailing out torture and abuse of prisoners. The point I made stands and is correct. We torture people and the nation, for the most part, doesn't care. The distinction is meaningless in a moral sense. Our actions are morally reprehensible. I wasn't proposing a solution. I was merely stating facts. We send people to Iraqi security forces knowing they will be tortured. This is reprehensible. Using your analogy, one must first determine the cables are tangled before a solution is sought. Americans aren't demanding a solution because they aren't aware of it or just don't care.

by GHFigs 16y ago

yequalsx 16y ago

Sorry. My mistake. General Taguba's report showed that a man was forced to have sex with a teenage boy. The boy wasn't his son. Delivering prisoners to people who you know will torture them is the same as conducting the torture yourself. The distinction is meaningless.

GHFigs 16y ago
General Taguba's report showed that a man was forced to have sex with a teenage boy. It did not. Please do not mistake me for someone unwilling or unable to do my own research, or someone interested in being lied to. This will be my final comment. The finding that you are misreporting is on page 17, item I, under the heading "I find the intentional abuse of detainees by military personel included the following acts": "Writing "I am a Rapest" (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee and then photographing him naked;" If you believe that events transpired differently, that is your right, but it is not supported by the report you cited. The distinction is meaningless. Let me reiterate with different emphasis: The distinction is absolutely crucial to what can and should be done about it. Having a clear picture of the problem and being accurate and precise about what is actually going on is essential to finding a solution. Obscuring the problem under a blurry haze of blame is not a solution and doesn't get you any closer to one. It's like trying to untangle a knotted mess of cables by trying to decide which cable's fault it is and then pointing at it harder and harder in the hope that it will resolve itself.
- yequalsx 16y ago
  My mistake again. I misread what was meant by "forcibly rape". I took forcibly to mean he was being forced. However, there are many other things in the report detailing out torture and abuse of prisoners. The point I made stands and is correct. We torture people and the nation, for the most part, doesn't care. The distinction is meaningless in a moral sense. Our actions are morally reprehensible. I wasn't proposing a solution. I was merely stating facts. We send people to Iraqi security forces knowing they will be tortured. This is reprehensible. Using your analogy, one must first determine the cables are tangled before a solution is sought. Americans aren't demanding a solution because they aren't aware of it or just don't care.