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A whistleblower has pointed out that Janssen is “the same company where 31 children died while taking Risperdal, another 1,207 were permanently injured & 14-yea

A whistleblower has pointed out that Janssen is “the same company where 31 children died while taking Risperdal, another 1,207 were permanently injured & 14-year-old boys grew breasts, is bringing a ketamine-like nasal spray for depression to market.“ https://twitter.com/melaynalokosky/status/1103114497084940289 https://twitter.com/melaynalokosky/status/110311449708494028...

apsec112 8y ago
"The same company where 31 children died" is incredibly misleading. 31 children died while taking a drug they made, over 15 years, not all of which are necessarily the drug's fault (side effect reporting is very broad). Tylenol kills around 500 people a year, but we don't blame this on the Tylenol manufacturers.
- rubyn00bie 8y ago
  Umm to be fair, scale should be accounted for, acetaminophen is probably used hundreds of millions times a year. How many times was that drug used when the 31 people died? A million? Not bad. 32? Not good.
darawk 8y ago
Ketamine has been used for a long time in veterinary medicine. Its safety profile is super well understood.
- c3534l 8y ago
  It's used in human medicine, too.
  - _Schizotypy 8y ago
    I could have sworn it transitioned from human medicine to vet medicine when we found other anesthetics for humans
    - perilunar 8y ago
      No, it's still widely used in humans as an anaesthetic. Most famously, it was used to sedate the boys trapped in the caves in Thailand last year (during their extraction).
      - joncrane 8y ago
        Source for the Thai rescue one?
        nkurz 8y ago
        I don't know what level of source you are looking for, but a Google search yields lots of stories that make the claim: https://www.google.com/search?q=thai+rescue+ketamine https://www.google.com/search?q=thai+rescue+ketamine The Maclean's story is the one that I first saw it in: https://www.macleans.ca/thai-cave-rescue-heroes/ https://www.macleans.ca/thai-cave-rescue-heroes/
        perilunar 8y ago
        Yeah, it was heavily reported. I read it first in the Good Weekend article. https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/we-didn-t-expect-all-13-out-alive-inside-the-thai-cave-rescue-20181106-p50e84.html https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/we-didn-t-expect-all-13-ou...
    - c3534l 8y ago
      Sure, but it still has niche uses.
colechristensen 8y ago
That is a wildly unreliable source. Digging into it all you find is someone selling outrage in what seems to be mostly for self-promotion.

apsec112 8y ago

"The same company where 31 children died" is incredibly misleading. 31 children died while taking a drug they made, over 15 years, not all of which are necessarily the drug's fault (side effect reporting is very broad). Tylenol kills around 500 people a year, but we don't blame this on the Tylenol manufacturers.

rubyn00bie 8y ago
Umm to be fair, scale should be accounted for, acetaminophen is probably used hundreds of millions times a year. How many times was that drug used when the 31 people died? A million? Not bad. 32? Not good.

darawk 8y ago

Ketamine has been used for a long time in veterinary medicine. Its safety profile is super well understood.

c3534l 8y ago
It's used in human medicine, too.
- _Schizotypy 8y ago
  I could have sworn it transitioned from human medicine to vet medicine when we found other anesthetics for humans
  - perilunar 8y ago
    No, it's still widely used in humans as an anaesthetic. Most famously, it was used to sedate the boys trapped in the caves in Thailand last year (during their extraction).
    - joncrane 8y ago
      Source for the Thai rescue one?
      - nkurz 8y ago
        I don't know what level of source you are looking for, but a Google search yields lots of stories that make the claim: https://www.google.com/search?q=thai+rescue+ketamine https://www.google.com/search?q=thai+rescue+ketamine The Maclean's story is the one that I first saw it in: https://www.macleans.ca/thai-cave-rescue-heroes/ https://www.macleans.ca/thai-cave-rescue-heroes/
        perilunar 8y ago
        Yeah, it was heavily reported. I read it first in the Good Weekend article. https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/we-didn-t-expect-all-13-out-alive-inside-the-thai-cave-rescue-20181106-p50e84.html https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/we-didn-t-expect-all-13-ou...
  - c3534l 8y ago
    Sure, but it still has niche uses.

colechristensen 8y ago

That is a wildly unreliable source. Digging into it all you find is someone selling outrage in what seems to be mostly for self-promotion.