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DigitalOcean Marketplace

96 points by mostafah 8y ago

eddiezane 8y ago
Eddie from the DigitalOcean DevRel team here. We're looking to partner with all the folks to help support and deliver open source and vendor software easily. Here to answer what I can.
- wmf 8y ago
  Looks like everything is free so far and the paid options are coming later?
  - eddiezane 8y ago
    Please see my reply here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19312226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19312226 TLDR: Vendors can add licenses now. Billing coming later.
- the_common_man 8y ago
  On Firefox, the details button does not do anything. I.e create droplet -> images -> marketplace -> app details
  - eddiezane 8y ago
    Thanks for reporting. Have the team looking at it now.
- throwaway12iii 8y ago
  Which developers of Free and Open Source projects do you sponsor?
  - eddiezane 8y ago
    We have a list of some of the larger projects we support here https://www.digitalocean.com/open-source/ https://www.digitalocean.com/open-source/
- breakingcups 8y ago
  The only true benefit turnkey 1-click software truly offers me is not having to worry about configuration and backups, but ironically I always find myself too worried about backups or data integrity to use these types of platforms. Do you have or are you planning to have a centralized way for these apps to perform and restore backups or is that handled by each partner themselves?
  - eddiezane 8y ago
    All of these images are deployed directly onto a Droplet which has access to all standard features including backups [0]. 0: https://www.digitalocean.com/docs/images/backups/overview/ https://www.digitalocean.com/docs/images/backups/overview/
  - the_common_man 8y ago
    See cloudron (which is funnily a 1-click in DO) which solves this
- Existenceblinks 8y ago
  A decent droplet is capable of doing a lot of things, the one-click install seems to be per droplet. I'm not so sure how multiple on-clicks apps work in one droplet, or can it work at all (how to avoid conflicts of automation of multiple robots?)
codeaken 8y ago
Can you as a vendor charge for your images or do you need to publish your work free of charge?
- mrclark411 8y ago
  And if you can charge - what are the terms?
  - eddiezane 8y ago
    Terms to come as we build out billing this year. Anything specific you'd like to see?
    - drchiu 8y ago
      Will you be offering the ability for the vendors to build on a recurring basis? Thanks!
      - eddiezane 8y ago
        Not sure if you mean `build` or `bill`. Build: Yup, this is a self service approach where vendors can resubmit images whenever and we can quickly approve. Bill: Can't confirm any details yet but made sure to note down the request.
        drchiu 8y ago
        I meant “bill,” but thanks for both answers!
        WordSkill 8y ago
        @eddiezane, recurrent billing/subscriptions would turbocharge the use of your marketplace for paid images. It would allow vendors to charge a lower upfront amount, which would lower the barrier to experimentation. Users could dive in and, if they like the software, keep the droplet + subscription going indefinitely. A very DigitalOcean twist would be if you allowed the subscriptions, like the droplets, to be billed per hour. For instance, a user could deploy a $5 droplet to test a $2 per month image. If the user terminates the image within one hour, the total cost would be 7c for the droplet and 3c for the paid image, totaling 10c. If DO takes a 30% cut, the vendor receives 2c (woo-hoo!). It would be, essentially, a free trial, but with the benefit of establishing the precedent, in the user's mind, of paying for good, supported, server software. If, however, the user wants to continue using that image, they will pay $5 every month for the droplet and $2 for the image, of which the vendor receives $1.40 every month. Another very DigitalOcean twist would be if the vendor had the option to charge a percentage of the droplet price, allowing them to charge less to users of the cheapest droplets but more to users of large droplets who are, presumably, deriving more value from their use of the image, and would be more likely to require support from the vendor. For example, the vendor could set his price at 20% of the droplet cost, meaning that a $5 droplet would cost an additional $1 per month or 1.5c per hour (of which the vendor would receive one cent). The vendor would make the money necessary for a viable business on larger droplets. For example, on an $80 (16GB) droplet, the image cost would be $16 per month, of which the vendor would receive $11.20. An image with a hundred or so large users and a few thousand small users would become a viable business that the vendor could energetically promote outside DO, pulling more users into the DO platform. My hope is that DigitalOcean will approach this marketplace with imagination, not make too many presumptions about how it should evolve and allow actual demand to shape it. While it is good to showcase the images that are going to be useful to a huge number of users, such as the generic WordPress image, your marketplace could truly soar by allowing a vast hinterland of lesser-used images, that, cumulatively, would result in far more usage. Let a million forks bloom. It would differentiate you from all the other hosts who offer one-click generic WordPress. For example, imagine if thousands of WordPress plugin and theme creators decided that pointing towards their DO Marketplace image was the easiest way to get their customers up-and-running, and the most effective way to continue getting paid for their work. At a stroke, DO would be harvesting a 30% cut of the massive paid WordPress market AND attracting a vast number of new users to your platform. Not just WordPress, of course, this applies to all forms of server software. DO is in a unique position here to create something akin to the explosion in mobile software development that the App Store sparked in 2008. It would allow thousands of independent developers to create thriving businesses that deliver real value to millions of users, while truly differentiating DigitalOcean.
heavymark 8y ago
I'm confused for years there have been a large collection of 1-click options when logged in. It says here WordPress for instance is New but that has been there forever. Can someone explain how Marketplace currently is different than the 1 click options we have long already have? The main issue has been with WordPress which I imagine is your most popular 1 click option is that it runs on LAMP rather than LEMP (the more modern recommended option). Does this "new" version resolve that? Or am I missing something?
- unethical_ban 8y ago
  I assume the difference is that people will be able to delf-deploy their apps to the marketplace. Think of it as an analog to "PPAs" for Ubuntu repositories.
- pbreit 8y ago
  They deprecated a bunch of one-click apps: https://www.digitalocean.com/docs/marketplace/deprecated/ https://www.digitalocean.com/docs/marketplace/deprecated/ This looks like the next iteration of the concept.
- eddiezane 8y ago
  Cross posting a colleague's reply on the blog post [0]. > We’ve had a WordPress stack at DigitalOcean for a long time and it’s tremendously popular – and now we've opened our platform up so partners can bring their 1-Click Apps to all our users through the Marketplace. Openlitespeed has a new WordPress stack too, and we’re also happy to have ideas for changes and new things on ideas.digitalocean.com 0: https://blog.digitalocean.com/introducing-digitalocean-marketplace https://blog.digitalocean.com/introducing-digitalocean-marke...
- the_common_man 8y ago
  This is like aws marketplace where vendors can make images instead of digital ocean making images
  - heavymark 8y ago
    That what I was thinking, but they feature ones created by DO there and even label as new for instance for WordPress, so was wondering what was new about the WordPress one click option for instance since already exists.
akamor 8y ago
Eddie, I think it would be neat if we could build vendor images by just supplying docker containers with maybe some type of config. At Tonic (https://tonic.ai https://tonic.ai) we do on-prem deploys with docker containers and docker-compose. Its seamless and would be great to use that same flow for Digital Ocean marketplace.
- eddiezane 8y ago
  We have some vendors building images with a variety of methods—Packer for example (blog post coming soon). I _want_ to say there is someone building out of a container. We've got a repo [0] with our current process but definitely looking for ways to improve it. You should fill out the vendor form and we'll be in touch [1]! 0: https://github.com/digitalocean/marketplace-partners https://github.com/digitalocean/marketplace-partners 1: https://marketplace.digitalocean.com/vendors https://marketplace.digitalocean.com/vendors
- arikfr 8y ago
  We (Redash) have a similar setup (Docker Compose based) and we used Packer to build the DigitalOcean image. Our setup is public on GitHub, in case you want to copy: https://github.com/getredash/setup https://github.com/getredash/setup
  - akamor 8y ago
    Thats awesome. Thanks a lot, arikfr.
gramakri 8y ago
Congrats DO team, very excited about this launch! We (https://cloudron.io https://cloudron.io) submitted our image last month and it was tested and approved in a few days. Loved the fact that the DO team is so agile and the dev process to get ourselves listed was fairly trivial as well. If someone has questions about how to create these 1-click images or the approval process, I am happy to answer them from a vendor point of view.
- smeeg 8y ago
  +1 here, great experience working with the DO team. Super easy and responsive.
arikfr 8y ago
Happy to see this out and public! We (Redash) had public AMIs for AWS and GCP for a long time now. But recently started the process of creating a proper marketplace listing with them and DigitalOcean. Needless to say that we're still working on the AWS and GCP listing, while the DigitalOcean one is already live. As with everything, they created a simple and nice experience for the vendors.
- ranbena 8y ago
  Redash + DigitalOcean ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ
gorkemcetin 8y ago
That was a great move and congrats DO team! We (Countly, https://count.ly https://count.ly) have approach Digital Ocean a few months ago, and we had a very productive email exchange - after a few days, our product was on DO Marketplace.
dirtylowprofile 8y ago
I have an existing GitLab hosted on DO, what are the chances of migrating to Enterprise Edition?
intellix 8y ago
Would love a one click option that creates a VPN that works in China and Netflix
- rahimnathwani 8y ago
  Might be hard to find, as Netflix blocks the IP address ranges of major cloud providers, presumably including DigitalOcean.
vbtechguy 8y ago
nice just needs more centos compatibility https://ideas.digitalocean.com/ideas/DO-I-2983 https://ideas.digitalocean.com/ideas/DO-I-2983

96 points by mostafah 8y ago

Eddie from the DigitalOcean DevRel team here. We're looking to partner with all the folks to help support and deliver open source and vendor software easily. Here to answer what I can.

wmf 8y ago
Looks like everything is free so far and the paid options are coming later?
- eddiezane 8y ago
  Please see my reply here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19312226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19312226 TLDR: Vendors can add licenses now. Billing coming later.
the_common_man 8y ago
On Firefox, the details button does not do anything. I.e create droplet -> images -> marketplace -> app details
- eddiezane 8y ago
  Thanks for reporting. Have the team looking at it now.
throwaway12iii 8y ago
Which developers of Free and Open Source projects do you sponsor?
- eddiezane 8y ago
  We have a list of some of the larger projects we support here https://www.digitalocean.com/open-source/ https://www.digitalocean.com/open-source/
breakingcups 8y ago
The only true benefit turnkey 1-click software truly offers me is not having to worry about configuration and backups, but ironically I always find myself too worried about backups or data integrity to use these types of platforms. Do you have or are you planning to have a centralized way for these apps to perform and restore backups or is that handled by each partner themselves?
- eddiezane 8y ago
  All of these images are deployed directly onto a Droplet which has access to all standard features including backups [0]. 0: https://www.digitalocean.com/docs/images/backups/overview/ https://www.digitalocean.com/docs/images/backups/overview/
- the_common_man 8y ago
  See cloudron (which is funnily a 1-click in DO) which solves this
Existenceblinks 8y ago
A decent droplet is capable of doing a lot of things, the one-click install seems to be per droplet. I'm not so sure how multiple on-clicks apps work in one droplet, or can it work at all (how to avoid conflicts of automation of multiple robots?)

codeaken 8y ago

Can you as a vendor charge for your images or do you need to publish your work free of charge?

mrclark411 8y ago
And if you can charge - what are the terms?
- eddiezane 8y ago
  Terms to come as we build out billing this year. Anything specific you'd like to see?
  - drchiu 8y ago
    Will you be offering the ability for the vendors to build on a recurring basis? Thanks!
    - eddiezane 8y ago
      Not sure if you mean `build` or `bill`. Build: Yup, this is a self service approach where vendors can resubmit images whenever and we can quickly approve. Bill: Can't confirm any details yet but made sure to note down the request.
      - drchiu 8y ago
        I meant “bill,” but thanks for both answers!
      - WordSkill 8y ago
        @eddiezane, recurrent billing/subscriptions would turbocharge the use of your marketplace for paid images. It would allow vendors to charge a lower upfront amount, which would lower the barrier to experimentation. Users could dive in and, if they like the software, keep the droplet + subscription going indefinitely. A very DigitalOcean twist would be if you allowed the subscriptions, like the droplets, to be billed per hour. For instance, a user could deploy a $5 droplet to test a $2 per month image. If the user terminates the image within one hour, the total cost would be 7c for the droplet and 3c for the paid image, totaling 10c. If DO takes a 30% cut, the vendor receives 2c (woo-hoo!). It would be, essentially, a free trial, but with the benefit of establishing the precedent, in the user's mind, of paying for good, supported, server software. If, however, the user wants to continue using that image, they will pay $5 every month for the droplet and $2 for the image, of which the vendor receives $1.40 every month. Another very DigitalOcean twist would be if the vendor had the option to charge a percentage of the droplet price, allowing them to charge less to users of the cheapest droplets but more to users of large droplets who are, presumably, deriving more value from their use of the image, and would be more likely to require support from the vendor. For example, the vendor could set his price at 20% of the droplet cost, meaning that a $5 droplet would cost an additional $1 per month or 1.5c per hour (of which the vendor would receive one cent). The vendor would make the money necessary for a viable business on larger droplets. For example, on an $80 (16GB) droplet, the image cost would be $16 per month, of which the vendor would receive $11.20. An image with a hundred or so large users and a few thousand small users would become a viable business that the vendor could energetically promote outside DO, pulling more users into the DO platform. My hope is that DigitalOcean will approach this marketplace with imagination, not make too many presumptions about how it should evolve and allow actual demand to shape it. While it is good to showcase the images that are going to be useful to a huge number of users, such as the generic WordPress image, your marketplace could truly soar by allowing a vast hinterland of lesser-used images, that, cumulatively, would result in far more usage. Let a million forks bloom. It would differentiate you from all the other hosts who offer one-click generic WordPress. For example, imagine if thousands of WordPress plugin and theme creators decided that pointing towards their DO Marketplace image was the easiest way to get their customers up-and-running, and the most effective way to continue getting paid for their work. At a stroke, DO would be harvesting a 30% cut of the massive paid WordPress market AND attracting a vast number of new users to your platform. Not just WordPress, of course, this applies to all forms of server software. DO is in a unique position here to create something akin to the explosion in mobile software development that the App Store sparked in 2008. It would allow thousands of independent developers to create thriving businesses that deliver real value to millions of users, while truly differentiating DigitalOcean.

heavymark 8y ago

I'm confused for years there have been a large collection of 1-click options when logged in. It says here WordPress for instance is New but that has been there forever. Can someone explain how Marketplace currently is different than the 1 click options we have long already have? The main issue has been with WordPress which I imagine is your most popular 1 click option is that it runs on LAMP rather than LEMP (the more modern recommended option). Does this "new" version resolve that? Or am I missing something?

unethical_ban 8y ago
I assume the difference is that people will be able to delf-deploy their apps to the marketplace. Think of it as an analog to "PPAs" for Ubuntu repositories.
pbreit 8y ago
They deprecated a bunch of one-click apps: https://www.digitalocean.com/docs/marketplace/deprecated/ https://www.digitalocean.com/docs/marketplace/deprecated/ This looks like the next iteration of the concept.
eddiezane 8y ago
Cross posting a colleague's reply on the blog post [0]. > We’ve had a WordPress stack at DigitalOcean for a long time and it’s tremendously popular – and now we've opened our platform up so partners can bring their 1-Click Apps to all our users through the Marketplace. Openlitespeed has a new WordPress stack too, and we’re also happy to have ideas for changes and new things on ideas.digitalocean.com 0: https://blog.digitalocean.com/introducing-digitalocean-marketplace https://blog.digitalocean.com/introducing-digitalocean-marke...
the_common_man 8y ago
This is like aws marketplace where vendors can make images instead of digital ocean making images
- heavymark 8y ago
  That what I was thinking, but they feature ones created by DO there and even label as new for instance for WordPress, so was wondering what was new about the WordPress one click option for instance since already exists.

akamor 8y ago

Eddie, I think it would be neat if we could build vendor images by just supplying docker containers with maybe some type of config. At Tonic (https://tonic.ai https://tonic.ai) we do on-prem deploys with docker containers and docker-compose. Its seamless and would be great to use that same flow for Digital Ocean marketplace.

eddiezane 8y ago
We have some vendors building images with a variety of methods—Packer for example (blog post coming soon). I _want_ to say there is someone building out of a container. We've got a repo [0] with our current process but definitely looking for ways to improve it. You should fill out the vendor form and we'll be in touch [1]! 0: https://github.com/digitalocean/marketplace-partners https://github.com/digitalocean/marketplace-partners 1: https://marketplace.digitalocean.com/vendors https://marketplace.digitalocean.com/vendors
arikfr 8y ago
We (Redash) have a similar setup (Docker Compose based) and we used Packer to build the DigitalOcean image. Our setup is public on GitHub, in case you want to copy: https://github.com/getredash/setup https://github.com/getredash/setup
- akamor 8y ago
  Thats awesome. Thanks a lot, arikfr.

gramakri 8y ago

Congrats DO team, very excited about this launch! We (https://cloudron.io https://cloudron.io) submitted our image last month and it was tested and approved in a few days. Loved the fact that the DO team is so agile and the dev process to get ourselves listed was fairly trivial as well. If someone has questions about how to create these 1-click images or the approval process, I am happy to answer them from a vendor point of view.

smeeg 8y ago
+1 here, great experience working with the DO team. Super easy and responsive.

arikfr 8y ago

Happy to see this out and public! We (Redash) had public AMIs for AWS and GCP for a long time now. But recently started the process of creating a proper marketplace listing with them and DigitalOcean. Needless to say that we're still working on the AWS and GCP listing, while the DigitalOcean one is already live. As with everything, they created a simple and nice experience for the vendors.

ranbena 8y ago
Redash + DigitalOcean ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ

gorkemcetin 8y ago

That was a great move and congrats DO team! We (Countly, https://count.ly https://count.ly) have approach Digital Ocean a few months ago, and we had a very productive email exchange - after a few days, our product was on DO Marketplace.

dirtylowprofile 8y ago

I have an existing GitLab hosted on DO, what are the chances of migrating to Enterprise Edition?

intellix 8y ago

Would love a one click option that creates a VPN that works in China and Netflix

rahimnathwani 8y ago
Might be hard to find, as Netflix blocks the IP address ranges of major cloud providers, presumably including DigitalOcean.

vbtechguy 8y ago

nice just needs more centos compatibility https://ideas.digitalocean.com/ideas/DO-I-2983 https://ideas.digitalocean.com/ideas/DO-I-2983