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Monogamy is also an effective preventative strategy.
by User23 8y ago
Monogamy is also an effective preventative strategy.
- DrJaws 8y agocelibacy is even better!
- User23 8y agoWrong on two counts. First because a monogamous couple has a virtually zero chance of contracting the virus and second because celibacy is evolutionarily indistinguishable from death.
- iSnow 8y agoDon't delude yourself, even the monogamous couple has to go to the hospital or could, via sheer bad luck, have contracted it from a former partner (I doubt you were talking only about lifelong monogamy). And the second comment, I don't even know what to make out of it - living also leads to death, where does evolution come into play in this discussion? By your logic, someone who gets infected and later dies from AIDS, but has had a child is better off than someone who never had kids. What kind of mental gymnastics is that?
- User23 8y agoI was talking about lifelong monogamy. This should be obvious from the "virtually impossible" descriptor. This is just basic logical reasoning. > someone who gets infected and later dies from AIDS, but has had a child is better off than someone who never had kids. What kind of mental gymnastics is that It's the kind of "mental gymnastics" where they propagate their genes and a celibate person doesn't. This isn't hard to understand so please don't be willfully obtuse.
- astura 8y agoProblem with this sort of moral policing is if your spouse is/becomes abusive then you can't leave them and if they die young you can't ever date/marry again.
- User23 8y agoLifelong ends with death. And it's not moral policing, I'm not advocating armed men to force people to not be promiscuous. I'm simply stating a fact based on sound scientific reasoning. Because promiscuous people are the reservoir for STDs, not having sex with promiscuous people, which is isomorphic to lifelong monogamy, is a highly effective way to avoid STDs.
- AnaniasAnanas 8y agoThe issue is that you might think that you are in a monogamous relationship while you are being cheated on, and this is not that rare. > celibacy is evolutionarily indistinguishable from death So? Also, this is not really correct, sperm donations are a thing after all.
- ben_w 8y ago> So? If your solution requires celibacy, the people who ignore you will be 100% of the population after one generation. (Your “Also” seems to be a separate and valid point)
- DrJaws 8y agoI was joking man.
- Robin_Message 8y agoYes, as long as your partner is doing it correctly too. Many tragic cases involve women being infected by their cheating, promiscuous husbands.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y agoBecause only men cheat, right?
- Robin_Message 8y agoObviously not and I did wonder about phrasing in a more gender neutral way. However, looking at some data: https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html - women are at twice the risk of men in heterosexual relationships. https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-... - men are a bit less than twice as likely to cheat. So, risk to women would seem to be, say, about three times as much at risk. And that is not counting the additional and heavily lop-sided risk of anal intercourse for women, but I'm not sure how to quantify that. So my gut feeling that this is something women suffer from more is potentially backed up by evidence, but not to such a disproportionate degree that my original phrasing was accurate. I'm too late to edit, but happy to consider my earlier comment rephrased with these stats.
- odiroot 8y agoAnd vice versa. We had a very infamous case of it in my country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Mol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Mol A few women brought HIV back home catching it from that "activist".
- yakshaving_jgt 8y agoIncredibly disappointing (and predictable, as an "anti-racist, anti-fascist activist") that Mol played the race card when confronted about his HIV status. He called the Polish people racist, and he called the Polish police racist. What a monster.