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I hate hate hate the newer Mac keyboard. Diarrhea is absolutely the perfect word to describe my feelings toward it.

titanix2 8y ago
When the MacBook Pro were presented with this new keyboard I bought the older model in prevision of the 5+ years keyboard winter. Very happy of this decision so far.
- andrei_says_ 8y ago
  I got a nice used 2015 model. Absolutely love it. Great keyboard, MagSafe, SD card slot, hdmi. Physical keys instead of a touchbar. The other day I walked through the cord while it was charging on the table and my laptop did not get destroyed. how could Apple f that up so badly is beyond me.
  - EngineerBetter 8y ago
    Likewise, very happy to still be using my 2015 MBP. I don't feel any envy for users of the newer models.
  - titanix2 8y ago
    Yes, the various ports were also a big selling point. By the time USB-C will be democratized we will have (I hope) a total revision that will solve the current issues.
    - blhack 8y ago
      I hope USB-C (the connector at least) never becomes the standard. I have a MBP with these god awful ports and it's really frustrating how bad the connector is. There are DJs for whom the macbook pro is required equipment for their performances. They're performing in front of 10s and sometimes >100 thousand people. Their midi controllers, and their SOUND CARDS (really a DJ mixer, most likely) are connected by: USB A. USB-C doesn't have the sort of retention that USB A does, at least the ports on my super expensive laptop don't. At this point, they cable would likely just fall out if I tipped the laptop sideways. Thing is: there are LOTS of things for which this type of thing is true. I've done lighting shows where this MBP was running a large lighting element on a large stage, and it was all dependent on that crappy USB-C connector, and a chain of dongles (!!!). Same thing is going to be true for interactive art installations, (some) large lighting shows. All sorts of stuff. So annoying.
      - fphhotchips 8y ago
        I have exactly the opposite experience. I find that USB-A connectors tend to become loose over time, and eventually a mild bump is enough that the device disconnects (even though it looks like it's still 100% plugged in). No such issues with USB-C yet.
        fzzzy 8y ago
        I have never seen a USB-A connector become loose. It's been over 20 years. The USB-C connector on my 2016 touchbar was loose within months.
        PascLeRasc 8y ago
        It's much more evident with USB 3.0. I can almost never use USB 3 drives on my laptop because they won't connect. Maybe 1/10 times it'll connect fully, but any touching the cable will disconnect it.
        blhack 8y ago
        Are you talking about the USB-A connector, or the "micro b superspeed" connector https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/USB_3.0_Micro-B_receptacle.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/USB_3.0_...? USB-A is this part of the cable: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/USB_Type-A_receptacle.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/USB_Type...
        fphhotchips 8y ago
        GGP here - I was talking about the USB-A connector. I think the issue is the physical size of the connector - it catches on things, and when I use it in non-desk locations (couch, mostly), the larger protrusion from the main chassis of the laptop makes it more likely to move around. Over time, it makes the socket looser and looser.
      - BuildTheRobots 8y ago
  - potta_coffee 8y ago
    Yes, MagSafe is still awesome, I'm blown away that they took it away for something else.
eridius 8y ago
I love the newer Mac keyboard. It is hands-down the best laptop keyboard I've ever used. Literally my only complaint is the design of the arrow keys.
- lelf 8y ago
  Been there. Wait several months.
- VBprogrammer 8y ago
  I'm not an Apple fan boy by any stretch but years ago I discovered that the Apple 104 key keyboard suited me down to the ground. Despite using it mostly on Ubuntu and Windows. I've put up with strange key mappings just to use that keyboard. The MacBook Pro I've just gotten at work is a nightmare. I assumed this was just getting used to it until this weekend when I finally setup my desktop at home with the old 104 key keyboard. The difference is night and day.
  - eridius 8y ago
    For what it's worth, I hate laptop keyboards in general. The MBP keyboard being the best laptop keyboard I've ever used is, quite frankly, an extremely low bar.
    - potta_coffee 8y ago
      My older generation MBP keyboard (2015?) Is really good, best laptop keyboard I've touched. The newer one is just painful. I don't even know what I don't like about it, it just feels terrible, maybe because of how short the travel is. The key bottoms out immediately and it feels like I'm just tapping my fingers on a solid surface.
mikkelam 8y ago
As far as I understand there has been plenty of iteration of the butterfly keyboard since it was first launch to the degree of ~4 different types (?). The newest macbooks should be a lot more stable

When the MacBook Pro were presented with this new keyboard I bought the older model in prevision of the 5+ years keyboard winter. Very happy of this decision so far.

andrei_says_ 8y ago
I got a nice used 2015 model. Absolutely love it. Great keyboard, MagSafe, SD card slot, hdmi. Physical keys instead of a touchbar. The other day I walked through the cord while it was charging on the table and my laptop did not get destroyed. how could Apple f that up so badly is beyond me.
- EngineerBetter 8y ago
  Likewise, very happy to still be using my 2015 MBP. I don't feel any envy for users of the newer models.
- titanix2 8y ago
  Yes, the various ports were also a big selling point. By the time USB-C will be democratized we will have (I hope) a total revision that will solve the current issues.
  - blhack 8y ago
    I hope USB-C (the connector at least) never becomes the standard. I have a MBP with these god awful ports and it's really frustrating how bad the connector is. There are DJs for whom the macbook pro is required equipment for their performances. They're performing in front of 10s and sometimes >100 thousand people. Their midi controllers, and their SOUND CARDS (really a DJ mixer, most likely) are connected by: USB A. USB-C doesn't have the sort of retention that USB A does, at least the ports on my super expensive laptop don't. At this point, they cable would likely just fall out if I tipped the laptop sideways. Thing is: there are LOTS of things for which this type of thing is true. I've done lighting shows where this MBP was running a large lighting element on a large stage, and it was all dependent on that crappy USB-C connector, and a chain of dongles (!!!). Same thing is going to be true for interactive art installations, (some) large lighting shows. All sorts of stuff. So annoying.
    - fphhotchips 8y ago
      I have exactly the opposite experience. I find that USB-A connectors tend to become loose over time, and eventually a mild bump is enough that the device disconnects (even though it looks like it's still 100% plugged in). No such issues with USB-C yet.
      - fzzzy 8y ago
        I have never seen a USB-A connector become loose. It's been over 20 years. The USB-C connector on my 2016 touchbar was loose within months.
        PascLeRasc 8y ago
        It's much more evident with USB 3.0. I can almost never use USB 3 drives on my laptop because they won't connect. Maybe 1/10 times it'll connect fully, but any touching the cable will disconnect it.
        blhack 8y ago
        Are you talking about the USB-A connector, or the "micro b superspeed" connector https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/USB_3.0_Micro-B_receptacle.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/USB_3.0_...? USB-A is this part of the cable: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/USB_Type-A_receptacle.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/USB_Type...
        fphhotchips 8y ago
        GGP here - I was talking about the USB-A connector. I think the issue is the physical size of the connector - it catches on things, and when I use it in non-desk locations (couch, mostly), the larger protrusion from the main chassis of the laptop makes it more likely to move around. Over time, it makes the socket looser and looser.
    - BuildTheRobots 8y ago
- potta_coffee 8y ago
  Yes, MagSafe is still awesome, I'm blown away that they took it away for something else.

eridius 8y ago

I love the newer Mac keyboard. It is hands-down the best laptop keyboard I've ever used. Literally my only complaint is the design of the arrow keys.

lelf 8y ago
Been there. Wait several months.
VBprogrammer 8y ago
I'm not an Apple fan boy by any stretch but years ago I discovered that the Apple 104 key keyboard suited me down to the ground. Despite using it mostly on Ubuntu and Windows. I've put up with strange key mappings just to use that keyboard. The MacBook Pro I've just gotten at work is a nightmare. I assumed this was just getting used to it until this weekend when I finally setup my desktop at home with the old 104 key keyboard. The difference is night and day.
- eridius 8y ago
  For what it's worth, I hate laptop keyboards in general. The MBP keyboard being the best laptop keyboard I've ever used is, quite frankly, an extremely low bar.
  - potta_coffee 8y ago
    My older generation MBP keyboard (2015?) Is really good, best laptop keyboard I've touched. The newer one is just painful. I don't even know what I don't like about it, it just feels terrible, maybe because of how short the travel is. The key bottoms out immediately and it feels like I'm just tapping my fingers on a solid surface.

mikkelam 8y ago

As far as I understand there has been plenty of iteration of the butterfly keyboard since it was first launch to the degree of ~4 different types (?). The newest macbooks should be a lot more stable