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This is blind optimism in the face of hard facts. If Google wants to play in China, they will have to bend to the whims of the CCP. No amount of employee foot-

This is blind optimism in the face of hard facts. If Google wants to play in China, they will have to bend to the whims of the CCP. No amount of employee foot-dragging will change that fact. > For the same reason, I don't think creating a censored search engine for the Chinese market is bad in itself. This is one the arguments that got trotted out by Google employees last time Dragonfly made headlines. The CCP is putting people in concentration camps[1]. Dragonfly would help them do that better. [1] https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/muslims-camps-china/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/muslims-...

yorwba 8y ago
They will have to bend, no doubt, but if they bend even slightly less than everyone else, that's still a win.
- fucking_tragedy 8y ago
  No, it's not. "Everyone else is doing it" is not an excuse to help put people in camps.
  - yorwba 8y ago
    It is if you doing it puts fewer people in camps than the alternative.
    - fucking_tragedy 8y ago
      The entire point of entering the Chinese market is to make money. Google will make more money doing what the CCP asks well and without question. Putting less people in camps and playing games with the CCP means less money or even losing the Chinese market.
    - ionised 8y ago
      Which will never be how it works. You think the Chinese government will accept Google deliberately making it more difficult for them to surveill and imprison dissidents? You're out of your mind if you believe they would allow this in any way. They would sooner turf Google out on its arse than tolerate any interference. The Chinese government WANTS Google. Think about why that is.
- omouse 8y ago
  You're right, it will be peace for our time if they bend slightly less: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time
- ionised 8y ago
  That's a pretty pathetic and inconsequential win.

yorwba 8y ago

They will have to bend, no doubt, but if they bend even slightly less than everyone else, that's still a win.

fucking_tragedy 8y ago
No, it's not. "Everyone else is doing it" is not an excuse to help put people in camps.
- yorwba 8y ago
  It is if you doing it puts fewer people in camps than the alternative.
  - fucking_tragedy 8y ago
    The entire point of entering the Chinese market is to make money. Google will make more money doing what the CCP asks well and without question. Putting less people in camps and playing games with the CCP means less money or even losing the Chinese market.
  - ionised 8y ago
    Which will never be how it works. You think the Chinese government will accept Google deliberately making it more difficult for them to surveill and imprison dissidents? You're out of your mind if you believe they would allow this in any way. They would sooner turf Google out on its arse than tolerate any interference. The Chinese government WANTS Google. Think about why that is.
omouse 8y ago
You're right, it will be peace for our time if they bend slightly less: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time
ionised 8y ago
That's a pretty pathetic and inconsequential win.