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Intel said that a couple of years ago, and yet you won't find an AMD laptop/desktop that supports thunderbolt.

zanny 8y ago
One, what AMD laptop? Two, I'd be interested to know if AMD bans board manufacturers from including TB or if they just don't do it because their heuristics say users don't care or want it. I'd imagine now with the rise of USB-C it would be the latter. Before that AMD was stuck on a 5 year old desktop platform that probably couldn't run thunderbolt ports even if board makers wanted to include it.
- fwip 8y ago
  A couple of newer laptops are coming with Ryzen processors. Off the top of my head, the Huawei Matebook D has an AMD option. Intel has just now opened Thunderbolt up (the topic of this article), despite the announcement coming two years ago.
- bubblethink 8y ago
  >Two, I'd be interested to know if AMD bans board manufacturers from including TB or if they just don't do it because their heuristics say users don't care or want it No, AMD boards already include the required TB hardware. They just can't enable it (yet) for whatever technical or legal reasons. Someone hacked them to enable it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOlQbP63lDQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOlQbP63lDQ)
  - dogma1138 8y ago
    There is no required hardware needed for Titan Ridge to work other than a PCIe expansion slot, you need UEFI drivers for it but that's pretty standard for anything today.
hlandau 8y ago
Intel said they'd open the Thunderbolt spec and make it royalty-free years ago, but only now are they actually doing it (by donating it to the USB-IF).
dogma1138 8y ago
Because no one has yet bothered to develop an IP other than Intel. Much of the IP especially for PHY is licensed from other companies especially in the case of AMD. AMD only recently has introduced CPUs that can be put into premium laptops and still they don't have a CPU with more than 4 cores and an integrated GPU. With Intel integrating TB into the CPU directly it also would mean that no one is currently making discrete TB controllers Titan Ridge is the last controller you can buy as a discrete unit and these can technically run on AMD systems but the cost doesn't make it sensible. With USB4 there will be TB3 compatible IP from multiple 3rd parties which AMD and OEMs could license to integrate it into the SoC directly or into the system itself via PCIe.

One, what AMD laptop? Two, I'd be interested to know if AMD bans board manufacturers from including TB or if they just don't do it because their heuristics say users don't care or want it. I'd imagine now with the rise of USB-C it would be the latter. Before that AMD was stuck on a 5 year old desktop platform that probably couldn't run thunderbolt ports even if board makers wanted to include it.

fwip 8y ago
A couple of newer laptops are coming with Ryzen processors. Off the top of my head, the Huawei Matebook D has an AMD option. Intel has just now opened Thunderbolt up (the topic of this article), despite the announcement coming two years ago.
bubblethink 8y ago
>Two, I'd be interested to know if AMD bans board manufacturers from including TB or if they just don't do it because their heuristics say users don't care or want it No, AMD boards already include the required TB hardware. They just can't enable it (yet) for whatever technical or legal reasons. Someone hacked them to enable it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOlQbP63lDQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOlQbP63lDQ)
- dogma1138 8y ago
  There is no required hardware needed for Titan Ridge to work other than a PCIe expansion slot, you need UEFI drivers for it but that's pretty standard for anything today.

hlandau 8y ago

Intel said they'd open the Thunderbolt spec and make it royalty-free years ago, but only now are they actually doing it (by donating it to the USB-IF).

dogma1138 8y ago

Because no one has yet bothered to develop an IP other than Intel. Much of the IP especially for PHY is licensed from other companies especially in the case of AMD. AMD only recently has introduced CPUs that can be put into premium laptops and still they don't have a CPU with more than 4 cores and an integrated GPU. With Intel integrating TB into the CPU directly it also would mean that no one is currently making discrete TB controllers Titan Ridge is the last controller you can buy as a discrete unit and these can technically run on AMD systems but the cost doesn't make it sensible. With USB4 there will be TB3 compatible IP from multiple 3rd parties which AMD and OEMs could license to integrate it into the SoC directly or into the system itself via PCIe.