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Don't get your hopes up, as this is just a dream. USB-C only specifies the connector. What your cables support, and what end devices support is anyone's guess.

by jwr 8y ago

Don't get your hopes up, as this is just a dream. USB-C only specifies the connector. What your cables support, and what end devices support is anyone's guess. See for example https://superuser.com/questions/1199917/what-is-the-d-shaped-icon-next-to-my-usb-c-port/1200112#1200112 https://superuser.com/questions/1199917/what-is-the-d-shaped... In my opinion, the mess is actually much worse with USB-C, as with earlier connectors I at least had a chance of guessing whether the cable/connection will work by looking at the connectors. With USB-C? No idea.

izacus 8y ago
In practice this is significantly smaller issue than most media and techies made out to be. Most devices are USB, they work and charge over the connector just fine. On laptops, connecting displays work as well. They will either use TB or negotiate for HDMI/DP which is also fine. The only real outliers are crappy companies which deliberately break protocols like Nintendo on their Switch.
- ksec 8y ago
  >Most devices are USB, they work and charge over the connector just fine. There are USB-C Charge Cable, that does no Data ( To save cost ) >On laptops, connecting displays work as well. They will either use TB or negotiate for HDMI/DP which is also fine. That is assuming the cable could do TB, which is also not true. Once you get USB-C to everywhere to everyday normal users, they expect it to plug in and work.
pariahHN 8y ago
It's not like we already had a cable and protocol that could encapsulate arbitrary data and transmit it between devices without concern for what upper level protocols were in use or what the data type was, with the only concern with regards to the cable being the max speed supported. Oh, wait, Ethernet is a thing. I wonder how they just completely missed that when making USB 3. The only thing that should be differentiated between cables is max power delivery rating and data rate. Edit: typo
pas 8y ago
It's a software issue. No one cares what the port says. When I plug something in the OS should notify me, and try to autonegotiate with the device. And if there's a problem, let me know what is it. Not enough power? Port or cable issue? Great, I'll just plug in a different cable into a different port, etc. The OS knows the USB controller hierarchy, knows what the deveice wants, etc. Cables might be a mess, but it's because low-level software is absolute bovine manure biogas plant on fucking fire level shit when it comes to user experience. Just a few weeks ago I had to spend about 1.5-2 hours (not exaggerating) trying to get 2 Logitech gamepads working on Win10. (It worked fine at first, but wouldn't survive a reboot. It worked fine in Linux.)

by jwr 8y ago

izacus 8y ago

In practice this is significantly smaller issue than most media and techies made out to be. Most devices are USB, they work and charge over the connector just fine. On laptops, connecting displays work as well. They will either use TB or negotiate for HDMI/DP which is also fine. The only real outliers are crappy companies which deliberately break protocols like Nintendo on their Switch.

ksec 8y ago
>Most devices are USB, they work and charge over the connector just fine. There are USB-C Charge Cable, that does no Data ( To save cost ) >On laptops, connecting displays work as well. They will either use TB or negotiate for HDMI/DP which is also fine. That is assuming the cable could do TB, which is also not true. Once you get USB-C to everywhere to everyday normal users, they expect it to plug in and work.

pariahHN 8y ago

It's not like we already had a cable and protocol that could encapsulate arbitrary data and transmit it between devices without concern for what upper level protocols were in use or what the data type was, with the only concern with regards to the cable being the max speed supported. Oh, wait, Ethernet is a thing. I wonder how they just completely missed that when making USB 3. The only thing that should be differentiated between cables is max power delivery rating and data rate. Edit: typo

pas 8y ago

It's a software issue. No one cares what the port says. When I plug something in the OS should notify me, and try to autonegotiate with the device. And if there's a problem, let me know what is it. Not enough power? Port or cable issue? Great, I'll just plug in a different cable into a different port, etc. The OS knows the USB controller hierarchy, knows what the deveice wants, etc. Cables might be a mess, but it's because low-level software is absolute bovine manure biogas plant on fucking fire level shit when it comes to user experience. Just a few weeks ago I had to spend about 1.5-2 hours (not exaggerating) trying to get 2 Logitech gamepads working on Win10. (It worked fine at first, but wouldn't survive a reboot. It worked fine in Linux.)