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I think it makes sense to jail people who are an immediate harm to others like serial killers and some spousal abusers. Jailing for even things like armed robbe

I think it makes sense to jail people who are an immediate harm to others like serial killers and some spousal abusers. Jailing for even things like armed robbery and carjacking seem often unnecessary if you can track people, very few people will keep carjacking and armed robbing while under surveillance like that.

hirundo 8y ago
I wonder if there's a way to surgically implant a GPS transmitter so that they a) can't take it out with a high risk of dying and b) can be tracked by satellite. I suspect that the battery would be the big problem. On the one hand, if we're gonna do surgery on someone to surveil them hopefully it would be reserved for people actually convicted of a violent crime. On the other hand, I'd very possibly want the surgery myself if I thought the alternative was spending months in jail awaiting trial.
- jakelazaroff 8y ago
  Compulsory surgically-implanted surveillance transmitters after being charged with a crime seems… extremely dystopian?
  - hirundo 8y ago
    For people not yet convicted, I agree. For the already convicted it seems less dystopian than locking them in a concrete and steel cage with violent felons.
    - saagarjha 8y ago
      Aren't the "violent felons" in prison, while those not yet convicted held in jail?
      - hirundo 8y ago
        Typically yes but it's not a fast rule. Prisons are for longer stays, but a shorter felony sentence may be served in a local jail. I knew a convicted violent felon who did most of a year in jail. His next crime was to kill his family and himself. Surveillance wouldn't have helped.
- SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
  Is there a depth you can install something like that so that it's simultaneously not terribly invasive of a surgery and not able to be pulled out a determined individual?
  - penagwin 8y ago
    I would be HIGHLY against this idea of an implant, it feels far too distopian (and I'd argue possibly against a person's right to their body). I'm not in the medical field but I'm sure there's many places such as "closish" to an artery that trained doctors would have no issues getting at but a random joe with a switch blade may have issues with. I'd figure just detecting the temperature change and alerting the authorities would be easier though, then you can place it just like a standard animal tracker, e.g. a needle in their arm/back.
    - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
      Oh yeah, it's horrifying to even consider. I doubt that being close would deter, it would just lead to more desperate people committing a form of suicide for freedom.

hirundo 8y ago

I wonder if there's a way to surgically implant a GPS transmitter so that they a) can't take it out with a high risk of dying and b) can be tracked by satellite. I suspect that the battery would be the big problem. On the one hand, if we're gonna do surgery on someone to surveil them hopefully it would be reserved for people actually convicted of a violent crime. On the other hand, I'd very possibly want the surgery myself if I thought the alternative was spending months in jail awaiting trial.

jakelazaroff 8y ago
Compulsory surgically-implanted surveillance transmitters after being charged with a crime seems… extremely dystopian?
- hirundo 8y ago
  For people not yet convicted, I agree. For the already convicted it seems less dystopian than locking them in a concrete and steel cage with violent felons.
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    Aren't the "violent felons" in prison, while those not yet convicted held in jail?
    - hirundo 8y ago
      Typically yes but it's not a fast rule. Prisons are for longer stays, but a shorter felony sentence may be served in a local jail. I knew a convicted violent felon who did most of a year in jail. His next crime was to kill his family and himself. Surveillance wouldn't have helped.
SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
Is there a depth you can install something like that so that it's simultaneously not terribly invasive of a surgery and not able to be pulled out a determined individual?
- penagwin 8y ago
  I would be HIGHLY against this idea of an implant, it feels far too distopian (and I'd argue possibly against a person's right to their body). I'm not in the medical field but I'm sure there's many places such as "closish" to an artery that trained doctors would have no issues getting at but a random joe with a switch blade may have issues with. I'd figure just detecting the temperature change and alerting the authorities would be easier though, then you can place it just like a standard animal tracker, e.g. a needle in their arm/back.
  - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
    Oh yeah, it's horrifying to even consider. I doubt that being close would deter, it would just lead to more desperate people committing a form of suicide for freedom.