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> Kelly Ellis, a former Google engineer and one of the plaintiffs in the gender-pay suit against the company, said in a legal filing that Google hired her as a

by rifung 8y ago

> Kelly Ellis, a former Google engineer and one of the plaintiffs in the gender-pay suit against the company, said in a legal filing that Google hired her as a Level 3 employee — the category for new software engineers who are recent college graduates — in 2010 despite her having four years of experience. I worked for around 4 years before joining Google and was also hired as an L3. I'm male. Two of my new grad friends were hired as L3's at Google too but make like 100k more than I do in total compensation. One is male and one is female. I'm not saying there isn't sexism but I'm not really convinced by this example. It's pretty common that people get "demoted" when coming in from other companies. I made the mistake of not getting competing offers (I wasn't actually looking to change jobs at the time).

ralusek 8y ago
Also, number of years worked does not dictate how good of an engineer you are.
- kamaal 8y ago
  No, its mostly because turning down a offer(no matter what that is) from Google screams privilege. There are a lot of things related to prestige, and other hiring marketing related things that have built up this enormous clout of you having arrived at a big place in life if you land a job at FAANG companies. So people just take whatever is offered. Because, there are tens of thousands of people applying for these jobs. Most of them are likely to better than you and they didn't crack all competitive coding style interview to land a job like you did. So people just find it hard to turn down the offer and take it. It's only later do they realized they are not building the next search engine. Nor building the next gen e-commerce platform, but building Jsons and posting to dataservices. By then you are conditioned to free food and you are not comparing your salary with people outside but inside. Its always hard to admit you didn't negotiate well or fell for the marketing appeal of the company. Its easy to find conspiracies and accuse others of malice. The later story is more appealing, makes you a victim and makes the other side look bad.
  - rifung 8y ago
    > So people just take whatever is offered. Because, there are tens of thousands of people applying for these jobs. Most of them are likely to better than you and they didn't crack all competitive coding style interview to land a job like you did. So people just find it hard to turn down the offer and take it. I don't speak for everyone obviously but the reason I took the offer is that it will still >50% what I was making previously. I didn't bother looking into how much other people make. > It's only later do they realized they are not building the next search engine. Nor building the next gen e-commerce platform, but building Jsons and posting to dataservices. By then you are conditioned to free food and you are not comparing your salary with people outside but inside. Somehow I feel you have a bone to pick? I've been on 3 different teams and this has not been my experience at all. People at Google seem to be just like people at other companies. They're happy they have a good job but look forward to retirement.
    - kamaal 8y ago
      >>I didn't bother looking into how much other people make. >>People at Google seem to be just like people at other companies. They're happy they have a good job but look forward to retirement. Not sure what's your point here. The whole reason this discussion seems to be happening is because a segment of people think that is not true. If that is true in your case, why would you even argue? It does not even apply to you.

by rifung 8y ago

ralusek 8y ago

Also, number of years worked does not dictate how good of an engineer you are.

kamaal 8y ago
No, its mostly because turning down a offer(no matter what that is) from Google screams privilege. There are a lot of things related to prestige, and other hiring marketing related things that have built up this enormous clout of you having arrived at a big place in life if you land a job at FAANG companies. So people just take whatever is offered. Because, there are tens of thousands of people applying for these jobs. Most of them are likely to better than you and they didn't crack all competitive coding style interview to land a job like you did. So people just find it hard to turn down the offer and take it. It's only later do they realized they are not building the next search engine. Nor building the next gen e-commerce platform, but building Jsons and posting to dataservices. By then you are conditioned to free food and you are not comparing your salary with people outside but inside. Its always hard to admit you didn't negotiate well or fell for the marketing appeal of the company. Its easy to find conspiracies and accuse others of malice. The later story is more appealing, makes you a victim and makes the other side look bad.
- rifung 8y ago
  > So people just take whatever is offered. Because, there are tens of thousands of people applying for these jobs. Most of them are likely to better than you and they didn't crack all competitive coding style interview to land a job like you did. So people just find it hard to turn down the offer and take it. I don't speak for everyone obviously but the reason I took the offer is that it will still >50% what I was making previously. I didn't bother looking into how much other people make. > It's only later do they realized they are not building the next search engine. Nor building the next gen e-commerce platform, but building Jsons and posting to dataservices. By then you are conditioned to free food and you are not comparing your salary with people outside but inside. Somehow I feel you have a bone to pick? I've been on 3 different teams and this has not been my experience at all. People at Google seem to be just like people at other companies. They're happy they have a good job but look forward to retirement.
  - kamaal 8y ago
    >>I didn't bother looking into how much other people make. >>People at Google seem to be just like people at other companies. They're happy they have a good job but look forward to retirement. Not sure what's your point here. The whole reason this discussion seems to be happening is because a segment of people think that is not true. If that is true in your case, why would you even argue? It does not even apply to you.