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> Until then, it is going to be business as usual for them. How hard is that to understand? First of all, workers have the full legal right to demand better wo

by stale2002 8y ago

> Until then, it is going to be business as usual for them. How hard is that to understand? First of all, workers have the full legal right to demand better working conditions, and to even use the media to help get their way. Secondly, there are legal issues to consider. Companies are required by law to provide reasonable accommodations to employees. And perhaps if a company gets to the size of Amazon, day care facilities may count as a reasonable accommodation.

lamarpye 8y ago
Serious question, where is the legal right to demand better working conditions codified?
- stale2002 8y ago
  That would be the National Labor Relations Act of 1935. It codified laws that gave workers the legal right to discuss working conditions, among many other rights that it covered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Labor_Relations_Act_of_1935 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Labor_Relations_Act_o...
chrisseaton 8y ago
Are these rights and requirements in the US? Even in at-will states? I thought reasonable accommodation was for employees with disabilities?
- stale2002 8y ago
  Anti discrimination laws apply to all protected classes. It is illegal to discriminate against pregnant women, or mothers, for example. To give another example, religion is another category where companies are required to give reasonable accommodations.
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  - chrisseaton 8y ago
    I mean you can look for yourself and see that almost no state considers parenthood to be protected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_discrimination_law_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_discrimination_law_... You don't need daycare based on religion or pregnancy, do you? I'm not sure this stuff applies as you think it does, to be honest. Otherwise companies would be compelled to have daycare and... they don't do they? And where did you get 'all workers have the right to demand' from? I'm pretty sure at-will means you can fire someone for demanding something that they don't have a legal right to.
    - stale2002 8y ago
      > And where did you get 'all workers have the right to demand' from? The National Labor Relations act of 1935, of course. Workers have the full legal right to discuss their working conditions, and to engage in organizing activities, and have had this right for almost a century. And this is with or without a union. The NLRA specifically states "and to engage in other protected concerted activities with or without a union.". Discussing working conditions with others is a legal right.
      - chrisseaton 8y ago
        You've downgraded 'demand' to 'discuss' there, haven't you? 'Discuss' can just be met with a 'thanks no'.
        stale2002 8y ago
        > can just be met with a 'thanks no'. I never stated otherwise. I was responding to the idea that it is ridiculous for workers to talk about their working conditions, and that they should just get a new job or something. The person who I had originally responded to, basically thought that you should just quit your job. Instead, I am saying that it is within our full legal right to attempt to change working conditions. IE, write articles like this one, or discuss/organize/demand better working conditions.

lamarpye 8y ago

Serious question, where is the legal right to demand better working conditions codified?

stale2002 8y ago
That would be the National Labor Relations Act of 1935. It codified laws that gave workers the legal right to discuss working conditions, among many other rights that it covered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Labor_Relations_Act_of_1935 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Labor_Relations_Act_o...

chrisseaton 8y ago

Are these rights and requirements in the US? Even in at-will states? I thought reasonable accommodation was for employees with disabilities?

stale2002 8y ago
Anti discrimination laws apply to all protected classes. It is illegal to discriminate against pregnant women, or mothers, for example. To give another example, religion is another category where companies are required to give reasonable accommodations.
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- chrisseaton 8y ago
  I mean you can look for yourself and see that almost no state considers parenthood to be protected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_discrimination_law_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_discrimination_law_... You don't need daycare based on religion or pregnancy, do you? I'm not sure this stuff applies as you think it does, to be honest. Otherwise companies would be compelled to have daycare and... they don't do they? And where did you get 'all workers have the right to demand' from? I'm pretty sure at-will means you can fire someone for demanding something that they don't have a legal right to.
  - stale2002 8y ago
    > And where did you get 'all workers have the right to demand' from? The National Labor Relations act of 1935, of course. Workers have the full legal right to discuss their working conditions, and to engage in organizing activities, and have had this right for almost a century. And this is with or without a union. The NLRA specifically states "and to engage in other protected concerted activities with or without a union.". Discussing working conditions with others is a legal right.
    - chrisseaton 8y ago
      You've downgraded 'demand' to 'discuss' there, haven't you? 'Discuss' can just be met with a 'thanks no'.
      - stale2002 8y ago
        > can just be met with a 'thanks no'. I never stated otherwise. I was responding to the idea that it is ridiculous for workers to talk about their working conditions, and that they should just get a new job or something. The person who I had originally responded to, basically thought that you should just quit your job. Instead, I am saying that it is within our full legal right to attempt to change working conditions. IE, write articles like this one, or discuss/organize/demand better working conditions.