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Ask HN: What are the advantages of AI on blockchain except safe/privacy?

5 points by ghosthamlet 8y ago

https://openmined.org (This has Federated Learning i know is promising) VS https://www.deepbrainchain.org/ VS https://synapse.ai/ VS https://singularitynet.io/ ?

bykhun 8y ago
I have not researched the market, but I have thought about it quite a bit. I think there is one main advantage that is trust. Say we want to build a decentralized Google so that noone could own people's personal data and yet we train data-hungry AI for search, face recognition, ad recommendation etc. I have thought about this idea quite a bit, but the current level of hardware (and software) is not enough yet.
- HNLurker2 8y ago
  You are right ai and blockchain are polar opposites.
digital_voodoo 8y ago
Concerning blockchain, the first and foremost advantage I've always thought of is solving the trust issue. To me, privacy come as a side effect of it. But since blockchain can now be hacked [1], I've become a little skeptical. Concerning AI, it's mainly (just) the computing power. [1] https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612974/once-hailed-as-unhackable-blockchains-are-now-getting-hacked/ https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612974/once-hailed-as-unh...
companyhen 8y ago
Check out https://www.endor.com/ https://www.endor.com/ They are an interesting AI usecase with blockchain by some MIT guys.
altairiumblue 8y ago
Any discussion on blockchain AI has to also include a serverless big data solution as a quantum cloud microservice. Otherwise you're just leaving money on the table.
- tcbasche 8y ago
  Please, don't leave IoT out of the loop
SlipperySlope 8y ago
I started with an agent AI framework that I needed to make super secure given the danger of AGI. Then when Bitcoin came along I saw that the agents could mint new blocks round-robin without POW. The key property of blockchain for an AI software engineer is the standard SHA-256 cryptographic hashes to make sequential records tamper evident. Previously, fast hashes were used to make data safe against transmission losses, but could be faked.

5 points by ghosthamlet 8y ago

https://openmined.org (This has Federated Learning i know is promising) VS https://www.deepbrainchain.org/ VS https://synapse.ai/ VS https://singularitynet.io/ ?

bykhun 8y ago

I have not researched the market, but I have thought about it quite a bit. I think there is one main advantage that is trust. Say we want to build a decentralized Google so that noone could own people's personal data and yet we train data-hungry AI for search, face recognition, ad recommendation etc. I have thought about this idea quite a bit, but the current level of hardware (and software) is not enough yet.

HNLurker2 8y ago
You are right ai and blockchain are polar opposites.

digital_voodoo 8y ago

Concerning blockchain, the first and foremost advantage I've always thought of is solving the trust issue. To me, privacy come as a side effect of it. But since blockchain can now be hacked [1], I've become a little skeptical. Concerning AI, it's mainly (just) the computing power. [1] https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612974/once-hailed-as-unhackable-blockchains-are-now-getting-hacked/ https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612974/once-hailed-as-unh...

companyhen 8y ago

Check out https://www.endor.com/ https://www.endor.com/ They are an interesting AI usecase with blockchain by some MIT guys.

altairiumblue 8y ago

Any discussion on blockchain AI has to also include a serverless big data solution as a quantum cloud microservice. Otherwise you're just leaving money on the table.

tcbasche 8y ago
Please, don't leave IoT out of the loop

SlipperySlope 8y ago

I started with an agent AI framework that I needed to make super secure given the danger of AGI. Then when Bitcoin came along I saw that the agents could mint new blocks round-robin without POW. The key property of blockchain for an AI software engineer is the standard SHA-256 cryptographic hashes to make sequential records tamper evident. Previously, fast hashes were used to make data safe against transmission losses, but could be faked.