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You quoted 27 different models. That's not 27 different types of car, it's all those duplications over a few model types. And when they're all in the market we'

You quoted 27 different models. That's not 27 different types of car, it's all those duplications over a few model types. And when they're all in the market we'll all be happy. Until then it's just a promise.

clouddrover 8y ago
You might as well say the same thing about the entire car industry. It's a silly perspective. The MEB platform can be adapted to hatchbacks, sedans, crossovers, vans, and even dune buggies. That's what will give Volkswagen economies of scale Tesla doesn't have. It isn't just a promise. It's the mass market arm of their EV strategy.
- pedrocr 8y ago
  Debating against things people haven't actually said is not productive. I think having common platforms is an advantage, hence why the Model Y is reportedly heavily based on the 3. That's what all the manufacturers do. I was specifically talking about your claim that number of models was an advantage that VW had. In EVs they currently have almost no models and ship almost no cars. They've announced a platform and somehow to you that's them being ahead of Tesla who is already at a ~400k cars/year rate. I hope VW and all the others get their act together and ship millions of EVs every year. If they end up crushing Tesla that's no problem for me either. But this argument of yours that VW is somehow ahead in EVs without actually selling any significant amount of EVs is just ridiculous. It's just a promise until they ship.
  - clouddrover 8y ago
    > I think having common platforms is an advantage Yes, an Volkswagen advantage has. > that number of models was an advantage that VW had It is. Their MEB modular platform allows them to target every segment across multiple brands while maintaining economies of scale in manufacturing. They're good at it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_MLB_platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_MLB_platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_MQB_platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_MQB_platform As I say, better planning and bigger scale.

clouddrover 8y ago

You might as well say the same thing about the entire car industry. It's a silly perspective. The MEB platform can be adapted to hatchbacks, sedans, crossovers, vans, and even dune buggies. That's what will give Volkswagen economies of scale Tesla doesn't have. It isn't just a promise. It's the mass market arm of their EV strategy.

pedrocr 8y ago
Debating against things people haven't actually said is not productive. I think having common platforms is an advantage, hence why the Model Y is reportedly heavily based on the 3. That's what all the manufacturers do. I was specifically talking about your claim that number of models was an advantage that VW had. In EVs they currently have almost no models and ship almost no cars. They've announced a platform and somehow to you that's them being ahead of Tesla who is already at a ~400k cars/year rate. I hope VW and all the others get their act together and ship millions of EVs every year. If they end up crushing Tesla that's no problem for me either. But this argument of yours that VW is somehow ahead in EVs without actually selling any significant amount of EVs is just ridiculous. It's just a promise until they ship.
- clouddrover 8y ago
  > I think having common platforms is an advantage Yes, an Volkswagen advantage has. > that number of models was an advantage that VW had It is. Their MEB modular platform allows them to target every segment across multiple brands while maintaining economies of scale in manufacturing. They're good at it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_MLB_platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_MLB_platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_MQB_platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_MQB_platform As I say, better planning and bigger scale.