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Which data are the fools ignoring, more exactly? 1) The average income for every individual in society? 2) The average income for every working individual? 3

by belorn 8y ago

Which data are the fools ignoring, more exactly? 1) The average income for every individual in society? 2) The average income for every working individual? 3) The average income for every full time individual? 4) The average income normalized to work hours and work position? 5) the average income normalized to work hours, work position and experience? 6) the average income normalized to work hours, work position, experience, city of occupation? 7) the average income normalized to work hours, work position, experience, city of occupation, volunteering for less desirable works like overtime and night work? 8) all the above with additional quasi-legal normalization for aspects that may effect productivity, like number of sick days?

lm28469 8y ago
The first one that make them feel good about the situation. You can rationalise a lot of things by interpreting statistical analysis to support your point of view, you just have to cover it with a "duh that's the real _facts_" and move on.
- belorn 8y ago
  That illustrate the issue between those who advocating against pay gap and those they are trying to convince. The data is not relevant, it is the fight, the struggle, the cause! It is great if there is data to support it but if not, then that is just rationalization of fools. Each and every one of those create a different data, with different conclusion about what the issue is and what the solution are. The first ones highlight among other things that fewer women are working in the first place. Men don't have a choice and will end up homeless and at the bottom of the social heriarcy if they don't. Women are also social expected to take care of children, and because of breastfeeding are likely to spend the time at home for the first few years. Men also die earlier, both from work accidents and from a health care that focus more on women then on men. This result in more women at the end of life not working compare to men who will instead be dead. For social and cultural reasons, women are more likely to work part time while men are more likely to have task wage. Women are more likely stay in education for longer and look for a job until they find the right one, while men start working quickly and with more emergency. Mens social status is tied to income, while women social status is disconnected from income and benefit from social activities. Men will on average volunteer to undesirable high pay works like high risk work, night work and overtime, while women will not. Women will have more sick days and spend more time on work hours with the health care system, while men either skip going to the doctor or only do so if it doesn't conflict with work. Men are more willing to change city of occupation and move out of a social environment than women. And after all of that we may have bias, which is the exclusive focus point of the discussion. All the above is usually ignored.

by belorn 8y ago

lm28469 8y ago

The first one that make them feel good about the situation. You can rationalise a lot of things by interpreting statistical analysis to support your point of view, you just have to cover it with a "duh that's the real _facts_" and move on.

belorn 8y ago
That illustrate the issue between those who advocating against pay gap and those they are trying to convince. The data is not relevant, it is the fight, the struggle, the cause! It is great if there is data to support it but if not, then that is just rationalization of fools. Each and every one of those create a different data, with different conclusion about what the issue is and what the solution are. The first ones highlight among other things that fewer women are working in the first place. Men don't have a choice and will end up homeless and at the bottom of the social heriarcy if they don't. Women are also social expected to take care of children, and because of breastfeeding are likely to spend the time at home for the first few years. Men also die earlier, both from work accidents and from a health care that focus more on women then on men. This result in more women at the end of life not working compare to men who will instead be dead. For social and cultural reasons, women are more likely to work part time while men are more likely to have task wage. Women are more likely stay in education for longer and look for a job until they find the right one, while men start working quickly and with more emergency. Mens social status is tied to income, while women social status is disconnected from income and benefit from social activities. Men will on average volunteer to undesirable high pay works like high risk work, night work and overtime, while women will not. Women will have more sick days and spend more time on work hours with the health care system, while men either skip going to the doctor or only do so if it doesn't conflict with work. Men are more willing to change city of occupation and move out of a social environment than women. And after all of that we may have bias, which is the exclusive focus point of the discussion. All the above is usually ignored.