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Yet the US has the highest numbers of mass shootings.

Tyrannosaur 8y ago
That's not an undisputed fact. https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-the-us-leads-the-world-in-mass-shootings/ https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-the-us-leads-the-worl...
- updateYourMind 8y ago
  From wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_S... > The United States has had more mass shootings than any other country.
  - leereeves 8y ago
    Wikipedia as primary source? If you'll check the references for that statement, they're all news articles based on a single study. A study that the link above already discussed. A study that "excluded gang-related shootings, drive-by shootings, hostage-taking incidents, robberies and acts of genocide or terrorism."[1] In other words, it's a custom-designed, cherry-picked statistic designed to make the US look worse than it is. 1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/05/does-us-lead-world-mass-shootings/?utm_term=.3df69caec353 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/05/does-us-l...
    - morpheuskafka 8y ago
      It's not cherry picked, it focuses on the phenomenon of mass shootings specifically. Gang wars and genocide are certainly tragic, but they are a very different type of gun violence than what people mean by mass shootings. The study is asking why in America people are shot by the tens or hundreds at ordinary, law-abiding venues such as schools or concerts, which is relevant in its own right.
      - leereeves 8y ago
        Actually the study defines "mass" as four or more victims, not tens or hundreds. And I've never understood who decides whether a mass killing is an "act of terrorism" or not.
      - arduanika 8y ago
        I'm shocked. The country that leads the world in stereotypically American mass shootings, narrowly defined to fit our cultural context and exclude problems endemic to other countries, according to one study quoted by the Amazon Post and other left-leaning outlets, is the USA. Say it ain't so.
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beatgammit 8y ago
Isn't that kind of irrelevant? How many people have died from mass shootings vs other violent crime? Yes, it's a problem that we should address, but it's also not a significant contributor to death, so the average person isn't really at a significant risk of being involved in a mass shooting, much less being killed by one. The media and politicians just like to make a big deal about it because it draws eyeballs. Instead of focusing on mass shootings, we should be looking at violent crime in general and the causes for it. This would lead us toward more general solutions (e.g. improve schooling for inner city students instead of just taking away their guns), which would solve a far bigger problem than some media headlines, and those solutions would be far easier to implement than attacking one of the core parts of American culture.
2_listerine_pls 8y ago
Mexico has mass-killings every single day. To give you an idea, a clandestine mass-grave with 500 bodies was found not long ago. If Mexicans had guns, their gagster politicians would think twice before fucking the economy on behalf of other countries.

That's not an undisputed fact. https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-the-us-leads-the-world-in-mass-shootings/ https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-the-us-leads-the-worl...

updateYourMind 8y ago
From wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_S... > The United States has had more mass shootings than any other country.
- leereeves 8y ago
  Wikipedia as primary source? If you'll check the references for that statement, they're all news articles based on a single study. A study that the link above already discussed. A study that "excluded gang-related shootings, drive-by shootings, hostage-taking incidents, robberies and acts of genocide or terrorism."[1] In other words, it's a custom-designed, cherry-picked statistic designed to make the US look worse than it is. 1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/05/does-us-lead-world-mass-shootings/?utm_term=.3df69caec353 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/05/does-us-l...
  - morpheuskafka 8y ago
    It's not cherry picked, it focuses on the phenomenon of mass shootings specifically. Gang wars and genocide are certainly tragic, but they are a very different type of gun violence than what people mean by mass shootings. The study is asking why in America people are shot by the tens or hundreds at ordinary, law-abiding venues such as schools or concerts, which is relevant in its own right.
    - leereeves 8y ago
      Actually the study defines "mass" as four or more victims, not tens or hundreds. And I've never understood who decides whether a mass killing is an "act of terrorism" or not.
    - arduanika 8y ago
      I'm shocked. The country that leads the world in stereotypically American mass shootings, narrowly defined to fit our cultural context and exclude problems endemic to other countries, according to one study quoted by the Amazon Post and other left-leaning outlets, is the USA. Say it ain't so.

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beatgammit 8y ago

Isn't that kind of irrelevant? How many people have died from mass shootings vs other violent crime? Yes, it's a problem that we should address, but it's also not a significant contributor to death, so the average person isn't really at a significant risk of being involved in a mass shooting, much less being killed by one. The media and politicians just like to make a big deal about it because it draws eyeballs. Instead of focusing on mass shootings, we should be looking at violent crime in general and the causes for it. This would lead us toward more general solutions (e.g. improve schooling for inner city students instead of just taking away their guns), which would solve a far bigger problem than some media headlines, and those solutions would be far easier to implement than attacking one of the core parts of American culture.

2_listerine_pls 8y ago

Mexico has mass-killings every single day. To give you an idea, a clandestine mass-grave with 500 bodies was found not long ago. If Mexicans had guns, their gagster politicians would think twice before fucking the economy on behalf of other countries.