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More in depth article from Reich: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetic

More in depth article from Reich: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-r....

drilldrive 8y ago
>What makes Dr. Watson’s and Mr. Wade’s statements so insidious is that they start with the accurate observation that many academics are implausibly denying the possibility of average genetic differences among human populations, and then end with a claim — backed by no evidence — that they know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes. Perhaps there is no hard evidence because nobody is willing to risk their lively-hood over researching such claims. Just look at what they did to Dr. Watson. Heck, a few paragraphs above Reich was talking about African-Americans being genetically predisposed to prostate cancer as if it was a highly controversial topic.
- smrtinsert 8y ago
  Well, the problem is we probably can't find anyone to sponsor to study to determine if once and for all, whites are prone to psychosis and mass murder via guns.
  - drilldrive 8y ago
    Now that is quite the switch of topic. The only known research of race differences in psychopathy is of Richard Lynn's 2002 studies on the topic. In this, Lynn does point to whites being more prone to psychosis than on average. I do know of some controversy of Richard Lynn's work, and here is a response paper to such: https://web.archive.org/web/20130108233748/http://riskreduction.soceco.uci.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Psychopathic-personality-and-racial-ethnic-differences-reconsidered.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20130108233748/http://riskreduct... Regarding school shootings in particular, my personal guess is that such sour actions on the average are merely a symptom of a hole in America's conscious, in that these semi-affluent white boys have lost meaning in life, and do not care if the actions they commit are grave. Of particular note is you do not see boys of abject poverty commit these actions, as they are more focused on not starving (and thus have something obviously meaningful to their life to prioritize).
    - scythe 8y ago
      Psychopathy, i.e. antisocial personality disorder, and psychosis, the state of experiencing delusions and/or hallucinations, are two very different things.
      - drilldrive 8y ago
        Oh yes, my apologies. Although in my defense I would connect psychopathy with school shootings rather than psychosis. And by a brief search it seems that in America whites on average are diagnosed with psychosis much less often than blacks and hispanics: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4274585/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4274585/
  - hnuser123457 8y ago
    Tell me if whites are over or under represented on this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_S... For the best three decades (at least), blacks have committed the majority of murders (~50-52%) most years in the United States despite never comprising more than 13% of the population. Are blacks over or under represented?
muthdra 8y ago
"treat each human being as an individual and to empower all people, regardless of what hand they are dealt from the deck of life" Well that's certainly better than the third one.

More in depth article from Reich: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-r....

drilldrive 8y ago

>What makes Dr. Watson’s and Mr. Wade’s statements so insidious is that they start with the accurate observation that many academics are implausibly denying the possibility of average genetic differences among human populations, and then end with a claim — backed by no evidence — that they know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes. Perhaps there is no hard evidence because nobody is willing to risk their lively-hood over researching such claims. Just look at what they did to Dr. Watson. Heck, a few paragraphs above Reich was talking about African-Americans being genetically predisposed to prostate cancer as if it was a highly controversial topic.

smrtinsert 8y ago
Well, the problem is we probably can't find anyone to sponsor to study to determine if once and for all, whites are prone to psychosis and mass murder via guns.
- drilldrive 8y ago
  Now that is quite the switch of topic. The only known research of race differences in psychopathy is of Richard Lynn's 2002 studies on the topic. In this, Lynn does point to whites being more prone to psychosis than on average. I do know of some controversy of Richard Lynn's work, and here is a response paper to such: https://web.archive.org/web/20130108233748/http://riskreduction.soceco.uci.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Psychopathic-personality-and-racial-ethnic-differences-reconsidered.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20130108233748/http://riskreduct... Regarding school shootings in particular, my personal guess is that such sour actions on the average are merely a symptom of a hole in America's conscious, in that these semi-affluent white boys have lost meaning in life, and do not care if the actions they commit are grave. Of particular note is you do not see boys of abject poverty commit these actions, as they are more focused on not starving (and thus have something obviously meaningful to their life to prioritize).
  - scythe 8y ago
    Psychopathy, i.e. antisocial personality disorder, and psychosis, the state of experiencing delusions and/or hallucinations, are two very different things.
    - drilldrive 8y ago
      Oh yes, my apologies. Although in my defense I would connect psychopathy with school shootings rather than psychosis. And by a brief search it seems that in America whites on average are diagnosed with psychosis much less often than blacks and hispanics: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4274585/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4274585/
- hnuser123457 8y ago
  Tell me if whites are over or under represented on this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_S... For the best three decades (at least), blacks have committed the majority of murders (~50-52%) most years in the United States despite never comprising more than 13% of the population. Are blacks over or under represented?

muthdra 8y ago

"treat each human being as an individual and to empower all people, regardless of what hand they are dealt from the deck of life" Well that's certainly better than the third one.