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I would assume Canada has much stronger border control than Mexico.

by ramchip 8y ago

jbarham 8y ago
The border between Vancouver and Washington is literally a ditch.
dleslie 8y ago
Why would you assume that of the longest undefended border on Earth?
- ramchip 8y ago
  I've heard various stories of people being caught shortly after crossing the border (by accident or otherwise), via cameras and so on. Granted, these might be isolated anecdotes.
gpm 8y ago
I highly doubt it. Our border is really too big to guard effectively, and frankly no one really cares to. There is a border crossing that literally just consists of some cameras and phones: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/northwest-angle https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/northwest-angle (admittedly to smuggle things through this you would have to take a boat to get there, and if you did this regularly someone would probably notice) There are towns (and houses, and at least one library, also a restaurant) split down the middle with no barrier: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-incredible-complications-of-living-atop-the-us-canada-border https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-incredible-complic... And there are ridiculously many miles of basically uninhabited border. It's probably "stronger" at the well traveled crossings, but only because you're not likely to be able to bribe our border guards.
- tathougies 8y ago
  The united states and canada invest heavily in a physical barrier. Both countries regularly clear the forests on the border so that the entire border is more easily patrollable. Because of this physical barrier and cooperation between the countries it is extremely difficult to cross the canadian united states border without being immediately noticed and caught.
  - mdorazio 8y ago
    Wtf are you talking about? There are numerous stories of people accidentally crossing the border without even knowing it while hiking or boating. And you're really going to tell me that clearing the forests for 20ft at the border magically prevents people from crossing if they want to? Do you think there are thousands of drones patrolling the clearings or something?
    - tathougies 8y ago
      There are numerous stories I've heard of people crossing the border and then being met by authorities and sent back: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/06/23/a-jogger-accidentally-crossed-into-the-u-s-from-canada-and-was-detained-for-two-weeks/?utm_term=.faa5f2249371 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/06/23... For example, this guy crossed accidentally, and was promptly met by ICE agents. > And you're really going to tell me that clearing the forests for 20ft at the border magically prevents people from crossing if they want to? Yes... it's littered with ground sensors and cameras. > Do you think there are thousands of drones patrolling the clearings or something? No. Of course not. But there is a sophisticated system on both sides to deal promptly with these things.
      - mdorazio 8y ago
        The story you cited was a jogger (female, by the way) who crossed via road in broad daylight in front of border patrol agents. There are no ground sensors or video cameras in the thousands of miles of border between roads and marked paths - the clearing is just there to tell you that you're at the border. If you're so inclined, you can hike away from border stations and cross between the US and Canada at your leisure.

I would assume Canada has much stronger border control than Mexico.

jbarham 8y ago

The border between Vancouver and Washington is literally a ditch.

dleslie 8y ago

Why would you assume that of the longest undefended border on Earth?

ramchip 8y ago
I've heard various stories of people being caught shortly after crossing the border (by accident or otherwise), via cameras and so on. Granted, these might be isolated anecdotes.

gpm 8y ago

I highly doubt it. Our border is really too big to guard effectively, and frankly no one really cares to. There is a border crossing that literally just consists of some cameras and phones: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/northwest-angle https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/northwest-angle (admittedly to smuggle things through this you would have to take a boat to get there, and if you did this regularly someone would probably notice) There are towns (and houses, and at least one library, also a restaurant) split down the middle with no barrier: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-incredible-complications-of-living-atop-the-us-canada-border https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-incredible-complic... And there are ridiculously many miles of basically uninhabited border. It's probably "stronger" at the well traveled crossings, but only because you're not likely to be able to bribe our border guards.

tathougies 8y ago
The united states and canada invest heavily in a physical barrier. Both countries regularly clear the forests on the border so that the entire border is more easily patrollable. Because of this physical barrier and cooperation between the countries it is extremely difficult to cross the canadian united states border without being immediately noticed and caught.
- mdorazio 8y ago
  Wtf are you talking about? There are numerous stories of people accidentally crossing the border without even knowing it while hiking or boating. And you're really going to tell me that clearing the forests for 20ft at the border magically prevents people from crossing if they want to? Do you think there are thousands of drones patrolling the clearings or something?
  - tathougies 8y ago
    There are numerous stories I've heard of people crossing the border and then being met by authorities and sent back: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/06/23/a-jogger-accidentally-crossed-into-the-u-s-from-canada-and-was-detained-for-two-weeks/?utm_term=.faa5f2249371 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/06/23... For example, this guy crossed accidentally, and was promptly met by ICE agents. > And you're really going to tell me that clearing the forests for 20ft at the border magically prevents people from crossing if they want to? Yes... it's littered with ground sensors and cameras. > Do you think there are thousands of drones patrolling the clearings or something? No. Of course not. But there is a sophisticated system on both sides to deal promptly with these things.
    - mdorazio 8y ago
      The story you cited was a jogger (female, by the way) who crossed via road in broad daylight in front of border patrol agents. There are no ground sensors or video cameras in the thousands of miles of border between roads and marked paths - the clearing is just there to tell you that you're at the border. If you're so inclined, you can hike away from border stations and cross between the US and Canada at your leisure.