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Leaked Documents Reveal Facebook's Global War on Data Privacy Laws

142 points by Ibethewalrus 8y ago

RileyJames 8y ago
Kinda off topic, but wow, that comment section. It’s easy to forget what Internet comment sections are like when you only read them on HN.
- g6nhe9twPd66 8y ago
  Homogeneity is comfortable huh? Sounds like Silicon Valley thinking these days.
  - mark212 8y ago
    Yeah that ascii art with three swastikas really added to the discourse. That and the second comment “your mom is Facebook” made me think the Algonquin round table had come back to life.
    - striking 8y ago
      You have to browse with Score -1 visible to see things like those. As I understand it, HN (by default) also hides comments that have been moderated away.
      - jchw 8y ago
        FWIW, showdead on HN does not surface a whole lot other than SPAM. Most of the difference here appears to be a defacto level of professionalism, which seems to be mostly enforced by politely telling people to not do silly things. For all the criticisms you could have about Hacker News and SV culture in general, I will give it one thing: It is definitely one of the most civil and best moderated communities on the internet that I'm aware of right now. That's actually more sad than anything, but it is what it is.
        hndamien 8y ago
        Moderation asymmetries also leads to a chilling effect for controversial/challenging viewpoints.
    - ec109685 8y ago
      That swastika person has been pulling that crap for a while: https://m.slashdot.org/profile/5542728/achievements https://m.slashdot.org/profile/5542728/achievements A community that doesn’t quickly ban such awful minority opinions will end up scaring the majority away.
      - Uninen 8y ago
        Seems to be deleted now.
        ec109685 8y ago
        Person’s profile still there.
- jsiepkes 8y ago
  Well since we are actually talking about the comment section of slashdot that's quite ironic... I don't know how old you are but Slashdot was somewhat the HN of the late 90's and 00's. Take a look at how the comment section looked in those days: https://web.archive.org/web/19990508185444/http://slashdot.org/articles/99/04/23/1358220.shtml https://web.archive.org/web/19990508185444/http://slashdot.o... .
  - HenryBemis 8y ago
    "So Buddha walks into a pizza parlor and says: "Hey, make me one with everything." I don't know what/when this happened to Slashdot, I remember that most of my life I have been avoiding the comments sections of almost every website, and then I met HN :) and life changed. This is perhaps the best self-curated forum and I believe that the main reason is that we all "got better things to do with our time", and we are coming here to exchange opinions and views with similarly productive people. Maybe this is it, most of us are productive and respectful of our AND other people's time and attention.
    - whamlastxmas 8y ago
      Part of it is also that HN is a bit of an echo chamber and unpopular opinions get cast aside very consistently
      - quoyz 8y ago
        Yep. You say something that is not in the mainstream, and your comment gets flagged, and your account gets banned for being "incendiary".
        HenryBemis 8y ago
        I disagree with that, I have had expressed 'extreme' opinions in this forum but I kept it civil, positive, and all I got hit with was to lose some 'karma points', and even the comments 'slapping me' were positive and I learned from the dialogue. I am not perfect, but who is? I believe in this forum we value open mindness and a fair dialogue. I don't like agreeing with everyone on everything, that would make a very boring and unproductive forum.
- gcb0 8y ago
  /. comment system is the best. before you dismiss that, just think for a while how well HN would fare against the same user base. you have meta moderation divided among a vast population of users, who have to give up commenting rights for the article. you can filter for a variety of personal tastes (funny, insightful... even troll), a friend/foe modifier and so much more. but yeah, the sanitized community and centralized moderation on HN or reddit makes for an /infinitely/ superior first visit experience, but after you log in and learn the minimum of the system (which fits nicely with the /. proposal anyway) it is in a completely different class. on /. i actually learn some deep arcane stuff about a topic (and have a few laughs) as opposed to the serious HN hive mind, which i personally use in lieu of the (missing) article summary.
  - protomyth 8y ago
    Slashdot was fun and I too learned some amazingly arcane stuff on certain topics. HN does have humor sometimes, one of my favorite threads is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12781157 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12781157 looks towards the bottom. I guess we all need to be serious these days lest someone doesn't see the funny. Slashdot was pretty amazing for a community policing itself as opposed to making moderators do a lot of the heavy hauling, but you really need people to stick around and do the work.
greenyoda 8y ago
Earlier discussion of the original source (the Guardian article): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19289381 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19289381
renholder 8y ago
Doing the nerd's work. <3
nonytoms 8y ago
Looking for an hacker that can handle any hacking related issues down to university upgrade, credit card top up, clearing criminal records, bank transfers, website hack , bank hack,spy, deleted unwanted data from source, Facebook hack, phone hack, Instagram hack etc You can contact lulzsek he is the best person for the job via WhatsApp,Skype and email or ICQ WhatsApp : +14438217809 Skype:lulzsekhackinc at outlook dot com Email: lulzsekhackinc at outlook dot com ICQ:745929862

142 points by Ibethewalrus 8y ago

Kinda off topic, but wow, that comment section. It’s easy to forget what Internet comment sections are like when you only read them on HN.

g6nhe9twPd66 8y ago
Homogeneity is comfortable huh? Sounds like Silicon Valley thinking these days.
- mark212 8y ago
  Yeah that ascii art with three swastikas really added to the discourse. That and the second comment “your mom is Facebook” made me think the Algonquin round table had come back to life.
  - striking 8y ago
    You have to browse with Score -1 visible to see things like those. As I understand it, HN (by default) also hides comments that have been moderated away.
    - jchw 8y ago
      FWIW, showdead on HN does not surface a whole lot other than SPAM. Most of the difference here appears to be a defacto level of professionalism, which seems to be mostly enforced by politely telling people to not do silly things. For all the criticisms you could have about Hacker News and SV culture in general, I will give it one thing: It is definitely one of the most civil and best moderated communities on the internet that I'm aware of right now. That's actually more sad than anything, but it is what it is.
      - hndamien 8y ago
        Moderation asymmetries also leads to a chilling effect for controversial/challenging viewpoints.
  - ec109685 8y ago
    That swastika person has been pulling that crap for a while: https://m.slashdot.org/profile/5542728/achievements https://m.slashdot.org/profile/5542728/achievements A community that doesn’t quickly ban such awful minority opinions will end up scaring the majority away.
    - Uninen 8y ago
      Seems to be deleted now.
      - ec109685 8y ago
        Person’s profile still there.
jsiepkes 8y ago
Well since we are actually talking about the comment section of slashdot that's quite ironic... I don't know how old you are but Slashdot was somewhat the HN of the late 90's and 00's. Take a look at how the comment section looked in those days: https://web.archive.org/web/19990508185444/http://slashdot.org/articles/99/04/23/1358220.shtml https://web.archive.org/web/19990508185444/http://slashdot.o... .
- HenryBemis 8y ago
  "So Buddha walks into a pizza parlor and says: "Hey, make me one with everything." I don't know what/when this happened to Slashdot, I remember that most of my life I have been avoiding the comments sections of almost every website, and then I met HN :) and life changed. This is perhaps the best self-curated forum and I believe that the main reason is that we all "got better things to do with our time", and we are coming here to exchange opinions and views with similarly productive people. Maybe this is it, most of us are productive and respectful of our AND other people's time and attention.
  - whamlastxmas 8y ago
    Part of it is also that HN is a bit of an echo chamber and unpopular opinions get cast aside very consistently
    - quoyz 8y ago
      Yep. You say something that is not in the mainstream, and your comment gets flagged, and your account gets banned for being "incendiary".
      - HenryBemis 8y ago
        I disagree with that, I have had expressed 'extreme' opinions in this forum but I kept it civil, positive, and all I got hit with was to lose some 'karma points', and even the comments 'slapping me' were positive and I learned from the dialogue. I am not perfect, but who is? I believe in this forum we value open mindness and a fair dialogue. I don't like agreeing with everyone on everything, that would make a very boring and unproductive forum.
gcb0 8y ago
/. comment system is the best. before you dismiss that, just think for a while how well HN would fare against the same user base. you have meta moderation divided among a vast population of users, who have to give up commenting rights for the article. you can filter for a variety of personal tastes (funny, insightful... even troll), a friend/foe modifier and so much more. but yeah, the sanitized community and centralized moderation on HN or reddit makes for an /infinitely/ superior first visit experience, but after you log in and learn the minimum of the system (which fits nicely with the /. proposal anyway) it is in a completely different class. on /. i actually learn some deep arcane stuff about a topic (and have a few laughs) as opposed to the serious HN hive mind, which i personally use in lieu of the (missing) article summary.
- protomyth 8y ago
  Slashdot was fun and I too learned some amazingly arcane stuff on certain topics. HN does have humor sometimes, one of my favorite threads is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12781157 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12781157 looks towards the bottom. I guess we all need to be serious these days lest someone doesn't see the funny. Slashdot was pretty amazing for a community policing itself as opposed to making moderators do a lot of the heavy hauling, but you really need people to stick around and do the work.

greenyoda 8y ago

Earlier discussion of the original source (the Guardian article): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19289381 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19289381

renholder 8y ago

Doing the nerd's work. <3

nonytoms 8y ago

Looking for an hacker that can handle any hacking related issues down to university upgrade, credit card top up, clearing criminal records, bank transfers, website hack , bank hack,spy, deleted unwanted data from source, Facebook hack, phone hack, Instagram hack etc You can contact lulzsek he is the best person for the job via WhatsApp,Skype and email or ICQ WhatsApp : +14438217809 Skype:lulzsekhackinc at outlook dot com Email: lulzsekhackinc at outlook dot com ICQ:745929862