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I'm out of the loop and Google is of no help and may even be censored on my device. What's going on?

by lphnull 8y ago

thg 8y ago
It's FUD based on the factless propaganda the US government is spouting out. Nothing more.
- seppin 8y ago
  The founder was Chinese military, the early funding came from government sources, and several official gov white papers state Huawei as a national security priority. I don't know what you accomplish by denying something so basic and provable.
  - thg 8y ago
    > The founder was Chinese military As was pretty much every other male adult of his generation. I don't see what this supposedly proves. > the early funding came from government sources Something which isn't all too uncommon, both in China and across the world. Silicon Valley itself was built on DoD money. Again, this is grasping straws. > and several official gov white papers state Huawei as a national security priority. That can be interpreted in a lot of different ways. For one, Trump made the exact same statement about the US coal and steel industry. Is the rest of the world supposed to ban US coal and steel now because of that? Again, this doesn't prove anything at all. It's just interpretative fear-mongering. I'll tell you what we have: Numerous backdoors in Cisco equipment and official government documents that the NSA used Cisco for spying operations. This is a fact. On Huawei's side, all we have are comments from the US government. The very organization with a decades long track record of global mass surveillance, among other things. There is no proof of backdoors, despite GCHQ having inspected their hard- and software for the past 8 years. In fact, there isn't any evidence at all that the Chinese government has used Huawei for their spying operations in any capacity. They most certainly could force them to, but the exact same thing can be said about the US government, who also has a track record of having done exactly that already. Show me actual proof and I'll revise my opinion, but until then I'll call this out for what it is: Just another US-gov-led witch hunt.
    - seppin 8y ago
      > Silicon Valley itself was built on DoD money. Yes and the result wasn't Intel and Cisco de facto owned by DoD/IC. Your need for two different things to be the same is confusing, but no doubt central to your worldview. > Numerous backdoors in Cisco equipment and official government documents that the NSA used Cisco for spying operations Did the US gov order them be put there? Did they even have to make the order, as all major tech networking companies are arms of state intel anyways? No? Well then what are you talking about?
      - thg 8y ago
        > Your need for two different things to be the same is confusing, but no doubt central to your worldview. First taking it out of context and then resorting to name-calling. > Did the US gov order them be put there? The first precedent that comes to mind: https://www.disclose.tv/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-reveals-nsa-demanded-backdoor-309474 https://www.disclose.tv/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-reveals... and there's a whole lot more where that came from. It appears your knowledge on the matter doesn't transcend beyond repeating US propaganda. Ignorance of facts, making up strawman arguments, repeating words of a notoriously lying organization without any thinking about it whatsoever. There is no discussion to be had here.
        dang 8y ago
        Please don't break the site guidelines, even when someone else did it first. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - dang 8y ago
        Please don't cross into incivility here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I'm out of the loop and Google is of no help and may even be censored on my device. What's going on?

thg 8y ago

It's FUD based on the factless propaganda the US government is spouting out. Nothing more.

seppin 8y ago
The founder was Chinese military, the early funding came from government sources, and several official gov white papers state Huawei as a national security priority. I don't know what you accomplish by denying something so basic and provable.
- thg 8y ago
  > The founder was Chinese military As was pretty much every other male adult of his generation. I don't see what this supposedly proves. > the early funding came from government sources Something which isn't all too uncommon, both in China and across the world. Silicon Valley itself was built on DoD money. Again, this is grasping straws. > and several official gov white papers state Huawei as a national security priority. That can be interpreted in a lot of different ways. For one, Trump made the exact same statement about the US coal and steel industry. Is the rest of the world supposed to ban US coal and steel now because of that? Again, this doesn't prove anything at all. It's just interpretative fear-mongering. I'll tell you what we have: Numerous backdoors in Cisco equipment and official government documents that the NSA used Cisco for spying operations. This is a fact. On Huawei's side, all we have are comments from the US government. The very organization with a decades long track record of global mass surveillance, among other things. There is no proof of backdoors, despite GCHQ having inspected their hard- and software for the past 8 years. In fact, there isn't any evidence at all that the Chinese government has used Huawei for their spying operations in any capacity. They most certainly could force them to, but the exact same thing can be said about the US government, who also has a track record of having done exactly that already. Show me actual proof and I'll revise my opinion, but until then I'll call this out for what it is: Just another US-gov-led witch hunt.
  - seppin 8y ago
    > Silicon Valley itself was built on DoD money. Yes and the result wasn't Intel and Cisco de facto owned by DoD/IC. Your need for two different things to be the same is confusing, but no doubt central to your worldview. > Numerous backdoors in Cisco equipment and official government documents that the NSA used Cisco for spying operations Did the US gov order them be put there? Did they even have to make the order, as all major tech networking companies are arms of state intel anyways? No? Well then what are you talking about?
    - thg 8y ago
      > Your need for two different things to be the same is confusing, but no doubt central to your worldview. First taking it out of context and then resorting to name-calling. > Did the US gov order them be put there? The first precedent that comes to mind: https://www.disclose.tv/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-reveals-nsa-demanded-backdoor-309474 https://www.disclose.tv/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-reveals... and there's a whole lot more where that came from. It appears your knowledge on the matter doesn't transcend beyond repeating US propaganda. Ignorance of facts, making up strawman arguments, repeating words of a notoriously lying organization without any thinking about it whatsoever. There is no discussion to be had here.
      - dang 8y ago
        Please don't break the site guidelines, even when someone else did it first. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - dang 8y ago
      Please don't cross into incivility here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html