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There are many other systems like this on other cars, like the Subaru I just rented. There is no way I would trust them to not kill me unmonitored. I don't thi

There are many other systems like this on other cars, like the Subaru I just rented. There is no way I would trust them to not kill me unmonitored. I don't think of anything available to end users today as "self-driving". Auto pilot is a better analogy, even if people don't seem to understand that.

darkpuma 8y ago
It doesn't help that Elon misleads the public. Tesla's "autopilot" is a Level 2 system; you're meant to keep your hands on the wheel. And indeed that's exactly what the owners manual tells you: keep your hands on the wheel. But then Elon goes on national television and takes his hands off the wheel. What kind of message does that send to consumers? Then there is the matter of autopilot being a bad analogy, even if it were technically accurate (I dispute that because AFAIK airplane autopilots officially allow pilots to take their hands off the controls, unlike Tesla's system), because the general public has serious misconceptions about what airplane autopilots actually do. Aircraft pilots receive serious training, so they don't have those same misconceptions, which is why aircraft autopilots aren't a problem. But much of the general public is under the mistaken impression that pilots of modern airliners simply "push a button then take a nap" as the airplane takes off, flies and lands itself. That's not reality as you and I both know, but many in the general public have that misconception, making Tesla's use of the term likely to mislead and therefore irresponsible. See page 73-74 of the Model 3 owners manual: https://www.tesla.com/content/dam/tesla/Ownership/Own/Model%203%20Owners%20Manual.pdf https://www.tesla.com/content/dam/tesla/Ownership/Own/Model%... Warning: Autosteer is a hands-on feature. You must keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times. Warning: Autosteer is intended for use only on highways and limited- access roads with a fully attentive driver. When using Autosteer, hold the steering wheel and be mindful of road conditions and surrounding traffic.* Warning: Autosteer is not designed to, and will not, steer Model 3 around objects partially or completely in the driving lane. Always watch the road in front of you and stay prepared to take appropriate action. It is the driver's responsibility to be in control of Model 3 at all times.
- glennpratt 8y ago
  Auto pilot allows hands off controls because the frequency of input is lower and the level of training is higher. No analogy is perfect, but it's not half bad. And it's not like there haven't been issues with auto pilot or people bemoaning it as some moral hazard for pilots.
- zaroth 8y ago
  Every other other Level 2 system advertisement I could find shows the driver with their hands off the wheel, at least to some extent; [1] - Nissan - https://youtu.be/HkL67DgleQY https://youtu.be/HkL67DgleQY [2] - Ford - https://youtu.be/Z_9218dTXXY https://youtu.be/Z_9218dTXXY [3] - Audi - https://youtu.be/nUlK6fpveXg https://youtu.be/nUlK6fpveXg [4] - BMW - https://youtu.be/xsQvq4WlUYU https://youtu.be/xsQvq4WlUYU

darkpuma 8y ago

It doesn't help that Elon misleads the public. Tesla's "autopilot" is a Level 2 system; you're meant to keep your hands on the wheel. And indeed that's exactly what the owners manual tells you: keep your hands on the wheel. But then Elon goes on national television and takes his hands off the wheel. What kind of message does that send to consumers? Then there is the matter of autopilot being a bad analogy, even if it were technically accurate (I dispute that because AFAIK airplane autopilots officially allow pilots to take their hands off the controls, unlike Tesla's system), because the general public has serious misconceptions about what airplane autopilots actually do. Aircraft pilots receive serious training, so they don't have those same misconceptions, which is why aircraft autopilots aren't a problem. But much of the general public is under the mistaken impression that pilots of modern airliners simply "push a button then take a nap" as the airplane takes off, flies and lands itself. That's not reality as you and I both know, but many in the general public have that misconception, making Tesla's use of the term likely to mislead and therefore irresponsible. See page 73-74 of the Model 3 owners manual: https://www.tesla.com/content/dam/tesla/Ownership/Own/Model%203%20Owners%20Manual.pdf https://www.tesla.com/content/dam/tesla/Ownership/Own/Model%... Warning: Autosteer is a hands-on feature. You must keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times. Warning: Autosteer is intended for use only on highways and limited- access roads with a fully attentive driver. When using Autosteer, hold the steering wheel and be mindful of road conditions and surrounding traffic.* Warning: Autosteer is not designed to, and will not, steer Model 3 around objects partially or completely in the driving lane. Always watch the road in front of you and stay prepared to take appropriate action. It is the driver's responsibility to be in control of Model 3 at all times.

glennpratt 8y ago
Auto pilot allows hands off controls because the frequency of input is lower and the level of training is higher. No analogy is perfect, but it's not half bad. And it's not like there haven't been issues with auto pilot or people bemoaning it as some moral hazard for pilots.
zaroth 8y ago
Every other other Level 2 system advertisement I could find shows the driver with their hands off the wheel, at least to some extent; [1] - Nissan - https://youtu.be/HkL67DgleQY https://youtu.be/HkL67DgleQY [2] - Ford - https://youtu.be/Z_9218dTXXY https://youtu.be/Z_9218dTXXY [3] - Audi - https://youtu.be/nUlK6fpveXg https://youtu.be/nUlK6fpveXg [4] - BMW - https://youtu.be/xsQvq4WlUYU https://youtu.be/xsQvq4WlUYU