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In the past companies had no clue how much of something was installed. These days with cyber security being such a concern any company with tight controls know

In the past companies had no clue how much of something was installed. These days with cyber security being such a concern any company with tight controls knows exactly what's on every machine. It's not hard to treat Oracle Java like a threat and red flag it during scanning. And if Oracle keeps up these shenanigans I can't help but feel like that's exactly what will happen.

dogma1138 8y ago
Eh? The entire financial sector runs on Java, this isn’t about milking fees form some random companies because someone installed Java on their laptop this is milking fees form the actual key users of Java. Microsoft has signed an agreement with Azul for Java on Azure and Amazon has released their own distribution of OpenJDK as a result. The company I work for also switched to Azul since the projected cost of Oracle was in the 10s of millions due to their Advanced support costs per server. Just to put things into perspective the projected yearly licensing cost for a single trading platform for us was 21 million dollars for the Oracle Advanced service agreement, I don’t know the exact final figure but apparently Azul was less than 200K for the entire company. I simply don’t understand how Oracle thought they could get away with these fees.
- technofiend 8y ago
  Right but they don't have to run Oracle Java. I didn't say red flag any Java, I said red flag Oracle Java. So in the end I think we agree?
- hermitdev 8y ago
  > The entire financial sector runs on Java No, it doesn't. Sure, you'll find a good amount of Java, but it will likely be C++ anywhere that's really latency sensitive. C# is also heavily used for front end GUIs now. F# is growing as well, and the quants (and others) love Python. In my experience in finance, Java is now legacy. It was a fun experiment and had a good go, but it's now withering away. Source: 15 years in financial development, mostly hedge funds, across 4 firms, and having interviewed with dozens of others. Only place I've worked at doing active Java development was a startup CRM SaaS targeting the financial space. Coincidentally, the only Oracle shop ive worked at.
  - pron 8y ago
    I think you are talking about a small sector of finance (trading, especially HFT?). The lion's share of software in finance is software used by large banks, insurance companies, etc. -- not hedge funds -- where Java is dominant (even in new projects).
- djakjxnanjak 8y ago
  I think any amount of fees would trigger movement away from Oracle, and suspect they calculated they were better off going all in to extract the maximum possible value before people switched away.

dogma1138 8y ago

Eh? The entire financial sector runs on Java, this isn’t about milking fees form some random companies because someone installed Java on their laptop this is milking fees form the actual key users of Java. Microsoft has signed an agreement with Azul for Java on Azure and Amazon has released their own distribution of OpenJDK as a result. The company I work for also switched to Azul since the projected cost of Oracle was in the 10s of millions due to their Advanced support costs per server. Just to put things into perspective the projected yearly licensing cost for a single trading platform for us was 21 million dollars for the Oracle Advanced service agreement, I don’t know the exact final figure but apparently Azul was less than 200K for the entire company. I simply don’t understand how Oracle thought they could get away with these fees.

technofiend 8y ago
Right but they don't have to run Oracle Java. I didn't say red flag any Java, I said red flag Oracle Java. So in the end I think we agree?
hermitdev 8y ago
> The entire financial sector runs on Java No, it doesn't. Sure, you'll find a good amount of Java, but it will likely be C++ anywhere that's really latency sensitive. C# is also heavily used for front end GUIs now. F# is growing as well, and the quants (and others) love Python. In my experience in finance, Java is now legacy. It was a fun experiment and had a good go, but it's now withering away. Source: 15 years in financial development, mostly hedge funds, across 4 firms, and having interviewed with dozens of others. Only place I've worked at doing active Java development was a startup CRM SaaS targeting the financial space. Coincidentally, the only Oracle shop ive worked at.
- pron 8y ago
  I think you are talking about a small sector of finance (trading, especially HFT?). The lion's share of software in finance is software used by large banks, insurance companies, etc. -- not hedge funds -- where Java is dominant (even in new projects).
djakjxnanjak 8y ago
I think any amount of fees would trigger movement away from Oracle, and suspect they calculated they were better off going all in to extract the maximum possible value before people switched away.