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The one-child policy saved China and the world. China might have hit 2 billions by now without it. The issue is that is has been too effective, especially for

The one-child policy saved China and the world. China might have hit 2 billions by now without it. The issue is that is has been too effective, especially for the level of development of the country, so that China is hitting a "first world problem" before having first world resources.

benjaminl 8y ago
Read the article. It includes a graph that show that fertility was already drastically dropping before one-child was introduced.
- Fjolsvith 8y ago
  And, continues to drop: https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16/629361870/despite-the-end-of-chinas-one-child-policy-births-are-still-lagging https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16/629361870/despite-the-end-of-...
- entity345 8y ago
  China is bad. Have I got the gospel right? Now, the _facts_ are that the policy did have a real, significant impact. And that has benefited mankind as a whole. But, OK, let's say it was useless... I cannot be said to have been disastrous, then, can it?
- gdpgreg 8y ago
  Hans Rosling did a lot of work on communicating birthrate in the developing world and how in general they trend towards the replacement rate ted talk where he goes over it:https://vimeo.com/79878808 https://vimeo.com/79878808
lurquer 8y ago
"Saved" China and the world from what? What problem could justify such an abhorrent intrusion into a person's life?
- entity345 8y ago
  World population: 1980 - 4.4 billion 2019 - 7.7 billion This has a massive impact on our environmental footprint and on climate change. But, right, let's not intrude into a person's life, that would be abhorrent...
  - lurquer 8y ago
    Should a government have the power to dictate how many children we have? That does not seem abhorrent to you? Strange days when one is downvoted for criticizing China's immoral and brutal policy that violated the most basic of human rights.
    - forkLding 8y ago
      The One-Child policy isn't a hard policy wherein you are punished physically or imprisoned for having more than one child, it's a fine, albeit quite heavy, hence why the average number of children in China in 2016 is 1.62 which exceeds 1 child per family because half of Chinese parents had around 2 children during the One-Child Policy. The reason why you're being downvoted is because the One-Child policy is actually quite popular in China. A Pew Global survey in 2008 found 76% of Chinese approve of the One-Child Policy (Scroll to Additional Findings section in link cited). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy http://www.pewglobal.org/2008/07/22/the-chinese-celebrate-their-roaring-economy-as-they-struggle-with-its-costs/ http://www.pewglobal.org/2008/07/22/the-chinese-celebrate-th...
      - gus_massa 8y ago
        > The One-Child policy isn't a hard policy wherein you are punished physically or imprisoned for having more than one child, it's a fine, [...] From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy#Mandatory_contraception_and_sterilization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy#Mandatory_con... > As part of the policy, women were required to have a contraceptive intrauterine device (IUD) surgically installed after having a first child, and to be sterilized by tubal ligation after having a second child. From 1980 to 2014, 324 million Chinese women were fitted with IUDs in this way and 108 million were sterilized. Women who refused these procedures – which many resented – could lose their government employment and their children could lose access to education or health services. The IUDs installed in this way were modified such that they could not be removed manually, but only through surgery.

benjaminl 8y ago

Read the article. It includes a graph that show that fertility was already drastically dropping before one-child was introduced.

Fjolsvith 8y ago
And, continues to drop: https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16/629361870/despite-the-end-of-chinas-one-child-policy-births-are-still-lagging https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16/629361870/despite-the-end-of-...
entity345 8y ago
China is bad. Have I got the gospel right? Now, the _facts_ are that the policy did have a real, significant impact. And that has benefited mankind as a whole. But, OK, let's say it was useless... I cannot be said to have been disastrous, then, can it?
gdpgreg 8y ago
Hans Rosling did a lot of work on communicating birthrate in the developing world and how in general they trend towards the replacement rate ted talk where he goes over it:https://vimeo.com/79878808 https://vimeo.com/79878808

lurquer 8y ago

"Saved" China and the world from what? What problem could justify such an abhorrent intrusion into a person's life?

entity345 8y ago
World population: 1980 - 4.4 billion 2019 - 7.7 billion This has a massive impact on our environmental footprint and on climate change. But, right, let's not intrude into a person's life, that would be abhorrent...
- lurquer 8y ago
  Should a government have the power to dictate how many children we have? That does not seem abhorrent to you? Strange days when one is downvoted for criticizing China's immoral and brutal policy that violated the most basic of human rights.
  - forkLding 8y ago
    The One-Child policy isn't a hard policy wherein you are punished physically or imprisoned for having more than one child, it's a fine, albeit quite heavy, hence why the average number of children in China in 2016 is 1.62 which exceeds 1 child per family because half of Chinese parents had around 2 children during the One-Child Policy. The reason why you're being downvoted is because the One-Child policy is actually quite popular in China. A Pew Global survey in 2008 found 76% of Chinese approve of the One-Child Policy (Scroll to Additional Findings section in link cited). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy http://www.pewglobal.org/2008/07/22/the-chinese-celebrate-their-roaring-economy-as-they-struggle-with-its-costs/ http://www.pewglobal.org/2008/07/22/the-chinese-celebrate-th...
    - gus_massa 8y ago
      > The One-Child policy isn't a hard policy wherein you are punished physically or imprisoned for having more than one child, it's a fine, [...] From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy#Mandatory_contraception_and_sterilization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy#Mandatory_con... > As part of the policy, women were required to have a contraceptive intrauterine device (IUD) surgically installed after having a first child, and to be sterilized by tubal ligation after having a second child. From 1980 to 2014, 324 million Chinese women were fitted with IUDs in this way and 108 million were sterilized. Women who refused these procedures – which many resented – could lose their government employment and their children could lose access to education or health services. The IUDs installed in this way were modified such that they could not be removed manually, but only through surgery.