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The shortage of developers in Germany is exactly the reason why people from Eastern Europe, Middle East and Africa are hired in the first place. There's plenty

The shortage of developers in Germany is exactly the reason why people from Eastern Europe, Middle East and Africa are hired in the first place. There's plenty of reports and publications discussing this shortage from last 10-15 years - it's not new and it has never been solved. Just an example: https://www.handelsblatt.com/today/companies/wirtschaftswunder-worry-the-flip-side-of-germanys-economic-boom-skills-shortage/23580536.html?ticket=ST-2255392-vudwurkgSy4QHWBeIVSK-ap1 https://www.handelsblatt.com/today/companies/wirtschaftswund... I don't know what kind of CTO you are (I'm CTO too), but if you were hiring recently in Germany, you should be able to notice the average time to fill a senior software engineer position is several months. This is the reality in which we live.

_visgean 8y ago
is that not the case everywhere?
AdrianB1 8y ago
Completely wrong: there is no shortage of developers, there is a shortage of competent people. Huge difference. Not a CxO myself, but high enough to feel the pain of hiring good people, especially when HR does not allow to pay them properly - for them all developers are the same, so they all get about the same salary.
- iamctobitch2 8y ago
  You make it seem like the competent people can't be from other parts of EU, why? There are many competent engineers in whole EU to hire from? I work with some incredibly talented Polish and Romanian engineers, I never felt there is shortage of labor in German market. Perhaps some companies need to offer more incentive, network better and open up more to employees.
- ivan_gammel 8y ago
  Ok, that also fits my understanding of the market - I don’t receive all the applications, because our HR team is good at filtering. Unfortunately, German businesses are very strong in salary negotiations, so it’s a whole big thing to sell the idea of fair market compensation inside the company.

_visgean 8y ago

is that not the case everywhere?

AdrianB1 8y ago

Completely wrong: there is no shortage of developers, there is a shortage of competent people. Huge difference. Not a CxO myself, but high enough to feel the pain of hiring good people, especially when HR does not allow to pay them properly - for them all developers are the same, so they all get about the same salary.

iamctobitch2 8y ago
You make it seem like the competent people can't be from other parts of EU, why? There are many competent engineers in whole EU to hire from? I work with some incredibly talented Polish and Romanian engineers, I never felt there is shortage of labor in German market. Perhaps some companies need to offer more incentive, network better and open up more to employees.
ivan_gammel 8y ago
Ok, that also fits my understanding of the market - I don’t receive all the applications, because our HR team is good at filtering. Unfortunately, German businesses are very strong in salary negotiations, so it’s a whole big thing to sell the idea of fair market compensation inside the company.