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There are quite a few good German developers who know enough about the car industry to stay far away from it because it's so broken. As a lowly developer, you c

There are quite a few good German developers who know enough about the car industry to stay far away from it because it's so broken. As a lowly developer, you can't fix it - you'll just get chewed up.

jeena 8y ago
I've been working in the car industry for 5 years and the last 2 with a big German car manufacturer which gave us a lot of money to set up something on the side which would work better. Once we showed that we probably can do it (after 1,5 years) they started getting interested in the project and that's where the problems started. Long story short they are forcing us to do things as they always been done even though they asked us to change them in the first place.
- ahartmetz 8y ago
  That happens all the time. German car companies are buying working companies and messing them up or starting new daughter companies to "do it right this time" but the contagious rot always kills those attempts surprisingly quickly. I guess that is what another poster mentioned as the changes that are currently happening. But it's not helping yet.
  - LifeLiverTransp 8y ago
    EAitis at its finest.
iamctobitch 8y ago
There isn't a job which strictly requires expertise from a "German developer" which a Romanian or Polish or Crotaian Developer can't do.
- ahartmetz 8y ago
  The problem with those Eastern European developers is not that they are bad developers - they are pretty good value for money in and of themselves. The problem is that they are wrapped up in the structures that are killing German automotive software. They are probably the ones that get hired to implement the crap that architects made up and that """only""" needs implementation, no questions asked. Just write the code. Good software development just isn't structured like that at all.
  - jeena 8y ago
    I can second that.
  - iamctobitch2 8y ago
    German companies have been claiming labor shortage forever now. All around the world it's done in order to drive down the wage and get government to invest in employee education/training which is then skimmed off by these companies. It's almost a meme now that there is labor shortage in everything. Pretty sure, restaurants and bars also claim labor shortage.
  - expertentipp 8y ago
    Can confirm - in many industries regardless whether one works in Germany, Czechia, Slovakia, or Poland, the directory will be German. The difference being in Czechia, Slovakia, and Poland the cost-cutting will be more aggressive and the decision making will be more strictly top-down. Something among the lines "just write this bloody thing, you C/Java/Angular whore".
- AdrianB1 8y ago
  No, there is. At least the jobs the Romanian gets are the cheap versions of the ones Germans have and the demand is so great that people with no IT knowledge get employed in projects where they do more wrong than right. The good developers are rare these days (most have already emigrated, the rest are in process) and the "cheap by the dozen" ones are not worth considering.
  - iamctobitch2 8y ago
    So you are claiming that people from other EU countries are descriminated against where a qualified IT worker from East Europe won't be given a job which a no IT knowledge German employ is gladly given.

jeena 8y ago

I've been working in the car industry for 5 years and the last 2 with a big German car manufacturer which gave us a lot of money to set up something on the side which would work better. Once we showed that we probably can do it (after 1,5 years) they started getting interested in the project and that's where the problems started. Long story short they are forcing us to do things as they always been done even though they asked us to change them in the first place.

ahartmetz 8y ago
That happens all the time. German car companies are buying working companies and messing them up or starting new daughter companies to "do it right this time" but the contagious rot always kills those attempts surprisingly quickly. I guess that is what another poster mentioned as the changes that are currently happening. But it's not helping yet.
- LifeLiverTransp 8y ago
  EAitis at its finest.

iamctobitch 8y ago

There isn't a job which strictly requires expertise from a "German developer" which a Romanian or Polish or Crotaian Developer can't do.

ahartmetz 8y ago
The problem with those Eastern European developers is not that they are bad developers - they are pretty good value for money in and of themselves. The problem is that they are wrapped up in the structures that are killing German automotive software. They are probably the ones that get hired to implement the crap that architects made up and that """only""" needs implementation, no questions asked. Just write the code. Good software development just isn't structured like that at all.
- jeena 8y ago
  I can second that.
- iamctobitch2 8y ago
  German companies have been claiming labor shortage forever now. All around the world it's done in order to drive down the wage and get government to invest in employee education/training which is then skimmed off by these companies. It's almost a meme now that there is labor shortage in everything. Pretty sure, restaurants and bars also claim labor shortage.
- expertentipp 8y ago
  Can confirm - in many industries regardless whether one works in Germany, Czechia, Slovakia, or Poland, the directory will be German. The difference being in Czechia, Slovakia, and Poland the cost-cutting will be more aggressive and the decision making will be more strictly top-down. Something among the lines "just write this bloody thing, you C/Java/Angular whore".
AdrianB1 8y ago
No, there is. At least the jobs the Romanian gets are the cheap versions of the ones Germans have and the demand is so great that people with no IT knowledge get employed in projects where they do more wrong than right. The good developers are rare these days (most have already emigrated, the rest are in process) and the "cheap by the dozen" ones are not worth considering.
- iamctobitch2 8y ago
  So you are claiming that people from other EU countries are descriminated against where a qualified IT worker from East Europe won't be given a job which a no IT knowledge German employ is gladly given.