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While I respect VW's ability to produce I think the limiting factor will be battery production. They've made some aggressive moves into it but I wonder if they

by xvf22 8y ago

While I respect VW's ability to produce I think the limiting factor will be battery production. They've made some aggressive moves into it but I wonder if they can keep it going.

clouddrover 8y ago
Especially if LG manages to block VW's future battery plans: https://electrek.co/2019/02/21/lg-vw-battery-cell-supply-ev-gigafactory/ https://electrek.co/2019/02/21/lg-vw-battery-cell-supply-ev-...
- Latteland 8y ago
  It was shocking that LG trying to block them from building their own battery supply became public. I think if they don't get serious about battery production in the next couple of years, it will take a decade to catch up. tesla's lead and ability to make their own batteries with panasonic is a massive advantage. i went the auto companies to make their own batteries too. there will be a shortage of battery productions for 10+ years. And this was all predicted, i can't believe the legacy auto dealers didn't do a better job of investing in it just a little bit.
  - chimen 8y ago
    I hope something drastic takes place. Batteries are the only piece of "hardware" without any new discoveries in decades. Li-Ion I had in high school and it still drives my phone today. Whoever finds a better alternative is going to completely change the automotive industry and mobile. I just don't hear about many researches being made in this field.
    - clouddrover 8y ago
      The next step for batteries is making solid-state batteries work commercially for their superior energy density and safety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9-cNNYb1Ik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9-cNNYb1Ik 24M has developed what they call a semi-solid-state battery and have delivered batteries with a capacity of 280 wh per kilogram: https://xconomy.com/boston/2019/02/26/24m-lithium-ion-batteries-power-density-standard/ https://xconomy.com/boston/2019/02/26/24m-lithium-ion-batter... They think they can get to 350 wh/kg by 2020, which is a dramatic improvement over current EV batteries.
    - iamgopal 8y ago
      Tons of optimisation has happened and is happening in Li-ion tech. Musk is no stupid to go all in with it. He knew all other so called revolutionary battery technology are at least couple of decades away. At the same time, there is still tons of space for optimisation in Li-ion tech. The future for at least couple of decades, if not more, is Li-ion for sure.

by xvf22 8y ago

While I respect VW's ability to produce I think the limiting factor will be battery production. They've made some aggressive moves into it but I wonder if they can keep it going.

clouddrover 8y ago

Especially if LG manages to block VW's future battery plans: https://electrek.co/2019/02/21/lg-vw-battery-cell-supply-ev-gigafactory/ https://electrek.co/2019/02/21/lg-vw-battery-cell-supply-ev-...

Latteland 8y ago
It was shocking that LG trying to block them from building their own battery supply became public. I think if they don't get serious about battery production in the next couple of years, it will take a decade to catch up. tesla's lead and ability to make their own batteries with panasonic is a massive advantage. i went the auto companies to make their own batteries too. there will be a shortage of battery productions for 10+ years. And this was all predicted, i can't believe the legacy auto dealers didn't do a better job of investing in it just a little bit.
- chimen 8y ago
  I hope something drastic takes place. Batteries are the only piece of "hardware" without any new discoveries in decades. Li-Ion I had in high school and it still drives my phone today. Whoever finds a better alternative is going to completely change the automotive industry and mobile. I just don't hear about many researches being made in this field.
  - clouddrover 8y ago
    The next step for batteries is making solid-state batteries work commercially for their superior energy density and safety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9-cNNYb1Ik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9-cNNYb1Ik 24M has developed what they call a semi-solid-state battery and have delivered batteries with a capacity of 280 wh per kilogram: https://xconomy.com/boston/2019/02/26/24m-lithium-ion-batteries-power-density-standard/ https://xconomy.com/boston/2019/02/26/24m-lithium-ion-batter... They think they can get to 350 wh/kg by 2020, which is a dramatic improvement over current EV batteries.
  - iamgopal 8y ago
    Tons of optimisation has happened and is happening in Li-ion tech. Musk is no stupid to go all in with it. He knew all other so called revolutionary battery technology are at least couple of decades away. At the same time, there is still tons of space for optimisation in Li-ion tech. The future for at least couple of decades, if not more, is Li-ion for sure.