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It's a bit of a public health nuisance when kids start dying because other people don't want their kids to get a measles shot It's hard to believe that tens of
by melling 8y ago
It's a bit of a public health nuisance when kids start dying because other people don't want their kids to get a measles shot
It's hard to believe that tens of thousands of kids still die from the measles every year.
- turtlecloud 8y agoThe same argument could be said that kids born to unwilling mothers leads to social and moral decay. If you are pro abortion/ pro choice you must be pro choice for anti vaxx.
- belltaco 8y agoAbortions don't create negative externalities like the anti-vaxx crowd does.
- throwawaymath 8y agoNo it can't because there is no direct, empirical relationship between children born in neglectful or under-resourced households and medical illness in other children. You can mount an abstract argument that there are secondary or tertiary effects that increase e.g. crime, violence or what have you. But that kind of relationship is not nearly as tight nor as evident as the reduction in herd immunity effected by fewer children receiving vaccinations. It's a difference of category, not degree.
- freedomben 8y agoI don't disagree. I personally think it's irresponsible not to vaccinate your kids. I also support schools and such requiring vaccinations for attendance (although that gets murky when the government runs the school). But using the government to forcibly inject stuff into people's bodies seems wrong.
- krapp 8y agoWhy do you keep calling it "stuff?" and why "forcibly inject?" You say you support vaccination but you can't help but describe it without the necessary context, as if random Feds are strapping babies down against their will and pumping random fluids into them against their will for no particular reason. You can make your argument and avoid the pointlessly nefarious language.
- AnaniasAnanas 8y ago> as if random Feds are strapping babies down against their will and pumping random fluids into them against their will. That's not completely wrong. The kids in my mother's generation for example were force-vaccinated in school and a lot of them suffered through life-threatening kidney issues caused by said vaccine. This is certainly not the case right now, but I have heard of people advocating for mandatory vaccination in schools.
- melling 8y agoCan you be more specific? Which vaccines caused the problem, for example? What years? I got my shots in the early 1970's and I don't remember there being any problems, fears, etc. As far as I can tell, this all started about 10-15 years ago when the general public started jumping on the Internet in large numbers.
- AnaniasAnanas 8y agoIt happened around 1962-1964. It was a smallpox vaccine. My mother ended up with Nephritis and had to battle it for years while my uncle ended up with his hands and legs being paralyzed and had to get a surgery.
- freedomben 8y agoI see your point regarding the word "stuff." Mostly I phrase it like that because I'm trying to empathize with (and represent) the anti-vaxxer view. They don't view vaccines as medicine, they view it as poison or at least potentially harmful. They are also not often well informed regarding it's contents, so to them it is just "stuff" that someone who they don't trust says is good for them. "Forcibly inject" tho is metaphorical but accurate. Many of the people here are advocating the mandating of (i.e. forcing) people to vaccinate their kids.
- melling 8y agoWhen someone doesn't vaccinate their child and they get the measles, which kills someone else's child, who was too young to be vaccinated, that also seems wrong. People will spend their entire lives as a potential danger to society. I don't think the measles, for example, will be eliminated.