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Here bullying a teacher would get you suspended fast, and bullying outside the school could have consequences in school too (if someone reports it, and some adu

Here bullying a teacher would get you suspended fast, and bullying outside the school could have consequences in school too (if someone reports it, and some adults would care enough). I don't have kids myself so this is just theoretical to me at this point; I don't know how well that works in practice.

japhyr 8y ago
I teach high school. There are ways to hold students accountable if their actions outside of school affect what's happening in school. But you need staff and administration who are all on the same page and working together, and it helps to have a group of people who are focused on what's best for the learning environment, not just a group focused on winning against kids and families. Unfortunately, that is not always a given.
jay_kyburz 8y ago
I would like to think even a 13yo is smart enough to make anonymous account to bully the teacher with.
- distances 8y ago
  They may think they are smart enough. When I was in middle school back in the 90s we all had city-provided Unix accounts for e-mail, homepages etc. The e-mail was read over telnet with Pine. Some student found out they can change the sender address inside the app, proceeded to set it to another kid's email, and sent an insulting e-mail to the science teacher. Of course the e-mail sender field is just for display purposes; the teacher had no trouble checking the headers and finding the kid behind this. The medium has changed a bit, but I can imagine teenagers still easily tripping over some technicalities and details.
  - kkarakk 8y ago
    the point is that the person who can "read the headers" is so abstracted from the school system as to not matter. when you report something to instagram it doesn't even take it down unless it hits a certain volume of reports - almost never if the page is a closed group. there is no human to talk to either. what teacher can stand up to bullying in that case? suppose some kid cracks under pressure - the other kids just inform everyone in their group that a new group exists on snapchat/facebook/discord source: someone in an online page got outraged at a comment of mine and tried to bully me out of the group. in the end i did just leave rather than deal with the issue coz it felt like fighting a hydra
- csa 8y ago
  Some, yes. All, no. Some accounts start off being anonymous, then they reveal themselves somehow. Your typical bully is not exactly long on perceiving how they will be seen (or caught). Throw in the perceived invincibility of teenagers, then you just end up with some fantastically traceable abuse.
Mirioron 8y ago
If they're trying to find dirt on the teacher then the teacher could get in trouble too. Future teachers will be particularly vulnerable to this because they grew up with half their life being shared on social media.

japhyr 8y ago

I teach high school. There are ways to hold students accountable if their actions outside of school affect what's happening in school. But you need staff and administration who are all on the same page and working together, and it helps to have a group of people who are focused on what's best for the learning environment, not just a group focused on winning against kids and families. Unfortunately, that is not always a given.

jay_kyburz 8y ago

I would like to think even a 13yo is smart enough to make anonymous account to bully the teacher with.

distances 8y ago
They may think they are smart enough. When I was in middle school back in the 90s we all had city-provided Unix accounts for e-mail, homepages etc. The e-mail was read over telnet with Pine. Some student found out they can change the sender address inside the app, proceeded to set it to another kid's email, and sent an insulting e-mail to the science teacher. Of course the e-mail sender field is just for display purposes; the teacher had no trouble checking the headers and finding the kid behind this. The medium has changed a bit, but I can imagine teenagers still easily tripping over some technicalities and details.
- kkarakk 8y ago
  the point is that the person who can "read the headers" is so abstracted from the school system as to not matter. when you report something to instagram it doesn't even take it down unless it hits a certain volume of reports - almost never if the page is a closed group. there is no human to talk to either. what teacher can stand up to bullying in that case? suppose some kid cracks under pressure - the other kids just inform everyone in their group that a new group exists on snapchat/facebook/discord source: someone in an online page got outraged at a comment of mine and tried to bully me out of the group. in the end i did just leave rather than deal with the issue coz it felt like fighting a hydra
csa 8y ago
Some, yes. All, no. Some accounts start off being anonymous, then they reveal themselves somehow. Your typical bully is not exactly long on perceiving how they will be seen (or caught). Throw in the perceived invincibility of teenagers, then you just end up with some fantastically traceable abuse.

Mirioron 8y ago

If they're trying to find dirt on the teacher then the teacher could get in trouble too. Future teachers will be particularly vulnerable to this because they grew up with half their life being shared on social media.