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The trouble is their employees don't seem particularly bothered by the evil they do every day. if they did, they'd leave.

darkpuma 8y ago
If HN comments are any indicator, they think Facebook is being unfairly bullied for nothing more than standard industry practices.
- lapnitnelav 8y ago
  Have a friend that was at Facebook for a conference where Miss Sandberg was speaking and she told the tone used felt quite infantilising. Ztockholm's syndrome? Drinking the Book-Aid? Pardon the terrible puns but it seems like strange coming from a company full of well educated & reasonably smart people. At least folks in Google and Microsoft seem to have a bit more backbone.
Taylor_OD 8y ago
Relevant The Onion: https://www.theonion.com/facebook-employees-explain-daily-struggle-of-trying-to-1825147978 https://www.theonion.com/facebook-employees-explain-daily-st...
kartan 8y ago
> The trouble is their employees don't seem particularly bothered by the evil they do every day. if they did, they'd leave. What does this have to do with employees? This is the leadership of the company that is morally corrupt. Most people at the ground level is going to see just a small piece of the picture without realising how everything adds together. Concerned employees leaving a company makes it worse, not better. Employees are paid at market value. Employees do not profit directly from these tactics. Ask Activision-Blizzard employees fired a year of increasing profits and morally dubious micro-transactions in their games. Better regulations and enforcing them is what the industry needs. You need to remove bad incentives for the people at the top. Corporations should be held accountable for the pains that they inflict.
- malloreon 8y ago
  Do you think there are any current FB employees who haven't heard about the terrible things their employer does? In the modern age, what's the statute of limitations on 'I didn't know my work was being used for evil!?' My take is that in tech it's no longer acceptable to separate the work an employee does from the morals of their employer. FB employees could work elsewhere doing not evil things. They look at the delta between whatever FB offers them and [insert name of non evil employer here] and shrug. "The evil is worth the extra money."
  - kartan 8y ago
    > My take is that in tech it's no longer acceptable to separate the work an employee does from the morals of their employer. Does this apply to employees of tabacco companies, alcohol companies, sugar companies, supermarkets that give plastic bags, shops that sell clothes made by children or quasy slave labor, car manufacturers, ... Should everyone stop working? There is a solution for all that. The solution is democracy and good government. It helps to improve our lives without drastic measures, and without reading the people that instead of walking of stays in companies doing bad stuff. > the devil is worth the extra money A lot of people works for awful companies for minimum wage. It is the people at the top taking decisions the ones that take the share of the lion.
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darkpuma 8y ago

If HN comments are any indicator, they think Facebook is being unfairly bullied for nothing more than standard industry practices.

lapnitnelav 8y ago
Have a friend that was at Facebook for a conference where Miss Sandberg was speaking and she told the tone used felt quite infantilising. Ztockholm's syndrome? Drinking the Book-Aid? Pardon the terrible puns but it seems like strange coming from a company full of well educated & reasonably smart people. At least folks in Google and Microsoft seem to have a bit more backbone.

Taylor_OD 8y ago

Relevant The Onion: https://www.theonion.com/facebook-employees-explain-daily-struggle-of-trying-to-1825147978 https://www.theonion.com/facebook-employees-explain-daily-st...

kartan 8y ago

> The trouble is their employees don't seem particularly bothered by the evil they do every day. if they did, they'd leave. What does this have to do with employees? This is the leadership of the company that is morally corrupt. Most people at the ground level is going to see just a small piece of the picture without realising how everything adds together. Concerned employees leaving a company makes it worse, not better. Employees are paid at market value. Employees do not profit directly from these tactics. Ask Activision-Blizzard employees fired a year of increasing profits and morally dubious micro-transactions in their games. Better regulations and enforcing them is what the industry needs. You need to remove bad incentives for the people at the top. Corporations should be held accountable for the pains that they inflict.

malloreon 8y ago
Do you think there are any current FB employees who haven't heard about the terrible things their employer does? In the modern age, what's the statute of limitations on 'I didn't know my work was being used for evil!?' My take is that in tech it's no longer acceptable to separate the work an employee does from the morals of their employer. FB employees could work elsewhere doing not evil things. They look at the delta between whatever FB offers them and [insert name of non evil employer here] and shrug. "The evil is worth the extra money."
- kartan 8y ago
  > My take is that in tech it's no longer acceptable to separate the work an employee does from the morals of their employer. Does this apply to employees of tabacco companies, alcohol companies, sugar companies, supermarkets that give plastic bags, shops that sell clothes made by children or quasy slave labor, car manufacturers, ... Should everyone stop working? There is a solution for all that. The solution is democracy and good government. It helps to improve our lives without drastic measures, and without reading the people that instead of walking of stays in companies doing bad stuff. > the devil is worth the extra money A lot of people works for awful companies for minimum wage. It is the people at the top taking decisions the ones that take the share of the lion.
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