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> Immigrants are not invading in hordes. Subjectively, they are. > Men at work are not harassing every female employee. Subjectively, sexual harassment is ex

> Immigrants are not invading in hordes. Subjectively, they are. > Men at work are not harassing every female employee. Subjectively, sexual harassment is extremely widespread. > People are not trying to kick out elderly widows to turn the block into a shopping mall. When I complain about my rent going up, it is of course much easier to make the case for the poor widow than myself. > Your shoe is not going to make you a star athlete. Of course. It's still going to make me feel like one, just a little bit. > An immigrant is not knocking on the door to take your job -- that was decided decades ago. Subjectively, he is. Even factually, as a laborer, immigration drives down my wages. That's basic economics. Of course there's nary a citizen left willing to work for as little as an illegal immigrant - but that's because those wages have been driven down already. > For every policy you put in place to protect the imaginary elderly widow, you make it harder for 10 young people to have an affordable place to live. Maybe, but doesn't everyone like elderly widows? Doesn't everyone hate those hipster millennials? > Stop believing so much in symbols. Never. Not in a million years.

skybrian 8y ago
Basic economics: you're mostly competing with other people who apply for the same jobs as you. There is not one labor market, there are many, and they are often pretty specialized. You can't substitute a plumber for a lawyer or vice-versa. This is why different jobs pay different wages. This means it's never going to be all that useful to approach controversial issues like immigration at a high level of abstraction. It affects people differently. The details matter, and yet, here we are, talking in abstractions instead of from experience. There are few facts here, lost in a sea of stylized summaries and witty exaggeration. Maybe we shouldn't take it too seriously?
- zeroname 8y ago
  > The details matter, and yet, here we are, talking in abstractions instead of from experience. I ain't got time nor interest for the details. If you can't speak in terms that I can understand within a short timeframe, in a way that appeals to my preconceived notions, then I'm voting for the guy that promises me the wall. Even as an untrained laborer, I used to be able to earn a decent living. Now I can't because wages have been driven down. I'm blaming immigrants. You're not convincing me otherwise, nerd. > There are few facts here, lost in a sea of stylized summaries and witty exaggeration. I'm obviously playing a couple of characters here, but the truth is embedded within. The facts don't matter when the emotions get in the way. It will be like this with humans, always. Ain't no use in lamenting it, better learn to deal with it. > Maybe we shouldn't take it too seriously? You absolutely should take it seriously.
  - scarejunba 8y ago
    > I ain't got time nor interest for the details. If you can't speak in terms that I can understand within a short timeframe, in a way that appeals to my preconceived notions, then I'm voting for the guy that promises me the wall. Haha, I like that. Everyone wants the elevator pitch. Fair enough.

skybrian 8y ago

Basic economics: you're mostly competing with other people who apply for the same jobs as you. There is not one labor market, there are many, and they are often pretty specialized. You can't substitute a plumber for a lawyer or vice-versa. This is why different jobs pay different wages. This means it's never going to be all that useful to approach controversial issues like immigration at a high level of abstraction. It affects people differently. The details matter, and yet, here we are, talking in abstractions instead of from experience. There are few facts here, lost in a sea of stylized summaries and witty exaggeration. Maybe we shouldn't take it too seriously?

zeroname 8y ago
> The details matter, and yet, here we are, talking in abstractions instead of from experience. I ain't got time nor interest for the details. If you can't speak in terms that I can understand within a short timeframe, in a way that appeals to my preconceived notions, then I'm voting for the guy that promises me the wall. Even as an untrained laborer, I used to be able to earn a decent living. Now I can't because wages have been driven down. I'm blaming immigrants. You're not convincing me otherwise, nerd. > There are few facts here, lost in a sea of stylized summaries and witty exaggeration. I'm obviously playing a couple of characters here, but the truth is embedded within. The facts don't matter when the emotions get in the way. It will be like this with humans, always. Ain't no use in lamenting it, better learn to deal with it. > Maybe we shouldn't take it too seriously? You absolutely should take it seriously.
- scarejunba 8y ago
  > I ain't got time nor interest for the details. If you can't speak in terms that I can understand within a short timeframe, in a way that appeals to my preconceived notions, then I'm voting for the guy that promises me the wall. Haha, I like that. Everyone wants the elevator pitch. Fair enough.